Bugeater
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| 03/05/2008 10:23 PM |
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| Interesting? This is just plain weird. Maybe even creepy. |
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IrememberDukester
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| 03/05/2008 10:45 PM |
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Avenger is becoming the hero of the message board.
Hopefully with his help we can unmask Dwight once and for all.
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avenger
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| 03/06/2008 5:40 AM |
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Creepy no but scary hell yes he should be scared.Exposure of the kind he needs is never good.
Bugeater if you don't like my punctuation i will try to do better. Were you ever my teacher? He was perfect to |
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Crit40
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| 03/06/2008 8:22 AM |
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Posted By Bugeater on 03/05/2008 10:23 PM
Interesting? This is just plain weird. Maybe even creepy.
I'm starting to think.....internet relationship; seedy cyber interaction; lies and deceipt; jilted partner.
Pure speculation of course, but am I getting close? |
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Counting the Herd one hoof at a time. |
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avenger
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| 03/06/2008 8:54 AM |
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Florida OmahanDDD running already? So you are still a coward.
Sorry Crit40 all will be revealed soon if the coward returns. |
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egami
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| 03/06/2008 9:09 AM |
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| Speaking of Florida....wonder where ol' FloJo is these days... |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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vranged
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| 03/06/2008 9:45 AM |
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| Florida Joe traded his computer for some magic beans. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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avenger
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| 03/07/2008 12:03 PM |
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Magic beans now Dman could do with some of those. He could then climb upwards as heaven closed it's doors to him quite a while ago.
Lady Karma is on his sad ass now.Even the Devil himself took a break. |
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avenger
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| 03/09/2008 9:08 AM |
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| Talking of your master ODDD hows Devil666 doing lol. |
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IrememberDukester
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| 03/09/2008 5:39 PM |
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Will the worlds richest man come to the rescue of Omaha or will he leave it all for Bill and Melinda to spend while forcing their views on the world?
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Omahan
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| 03/10/2008 8:24 AM |
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| Buffett involved with stadium in Omaha? That would be a first, that guy rarely interacts with the city he lives in. |
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Omahan
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| 03/10/2008 8:28 AM |
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Duneden, Florida - just bought a condo (2 bedroom, 2 bath, 1450 sq ft) next to the water for 87k. Get 'em while their cheap boys.
Will enjoy it for about 7 years and sell it for 3-4 times that price. :-) |
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vranged
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| 03/10/2008 1:27 PM |
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Just like you have a daughter, but then you don't have a daughter, but you actually might.
Message boards were invented so losers like Dwight could create lives they wish they had.
Liar. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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turducken
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| 03/10/2008 4:43 PM |
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Next to the water?
Technically kiddie pools count! |
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avenger
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| 03/10/2008 6:21 PM |
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So now you have 3 houses, a cabin in the mountains AND a condo. Hell you just have so much to loose ODDD
If only you could buy a personality or a concience or maybe a brain that worked something like normal we could all be impressed. |
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Omahan
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| 03/11/2008 9:09 AM |
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 Okay, let's redirect this ship because there is an iceberg ahead and we all have seen Titanic and understand what an iceberg can do for your plans.
BACK ON TOPIC: IMO, it all boils down to practical considerations and the biggest bang for the buck appear to be propelling the city toward a new stadium.
Lame Example: Why take a 10 year old car and create the illusion of no payments and attempt to maintain it. When you could buy new, have a warranty and make the payments a part of your budget and look hip 'n slick in the process?
Keeping Rosenblatt would be like fixing a roof leak with the quick fix method that eventually costs you more. (I think we call it "shooting yourself in the foot.")
Put a new roof on the house and have the assurance of knowing you did the right thing for your family.
New stadium and the CWS stays.
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egami
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| 03/11/2008 9:24 AM |
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Posted By Omahan on 03/11/2008 9:09 AM
Lame Example: Why take a 10 year old car and create the illusion of no payments and attempt to maintain it. When you could buy new, have a warranty and make the payments a part of your budget and look hip 'n slick in the process?
Because it's not fiscally responsible.
Keeping Rosenblatt would be like fixing a roof leak with the quick fix method that eventually costs you more. (I think we call it "shooting yourself in the foot.")
Put a new roof on the house and have the assurance of knowing you did the right thing for your family.
Better, example...
You're a landlord and one of your tenants is threatening to move out because the complex isn't state of the art and they can't have as many friends over as they'd like.
You could either renovate the current space and give them the room without the luxury or go hog wild and build a new top notch complex that they desire that their current revenue couldn't support and you'd have to hope there are enough other tenants you can draw to mitigate the damage to your wallet...and even then, you will be steeply in the hole.
New stadium and the CWS stays.
Exactly, the new stadium is about keeping the CWS. That isn't a reason in and of itself to take on a huge financial burden.
People are looking for a deeper, more logical reason from you. We are all well aware of the fact that you don't care what the tax burden is because you aren't in Omaha and you just hate to see the CWS go.
Right now your reasoning is based on emotion.
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 03/11/2008 9:36 AM |
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The reasoning doesn't come from me. The "people" are taking aim at the mayor. (Now that we've cleared that one up)
The firm that conducted the study answered most of those questions that you are referring to. It does make practical monetary sense and is very fiscally responsible. Listen, Omaha is ready now to go forward into the future as a larger metropolitan midwestern city. Part of growing unfortunately is spending.
And when you spend to keep money in town it makes good sense. CWS is not about emotion for me. (You right I don't live there anymore) It's about money and keeping the money in town.
Does Omaha want to progress and meet the challenges set in front of them? Or do they want to remain ultra conservative and take no chances?
Restoring Rosenblatt really isn't an option. Why restore it and watch the CWS leave town? For the Royals?
Many, many factors involved besides money also. Image, CWS is Omaha to many. You fly into Omaha on business and get off the plane, grab you luggage and snatch a cab to swing into downtown to check into the hotel and you see the QWest Center and the Stadium - Wow, would be your first impression and what you would go back home and tell your associates.
People wanted "deeper more logical reasons" when QWest Center was being proposed. Now they absolutely have a love affair with the place. I believe the same will be for this stadium.
It will never be used many days of the year. Very common though for baseball stadiums.
Boils down to you and others on here will never get what you are looking for. Either three courses of travel here...1.) You are in favor of the stadium. 2.) You are not in favor of the stadium. 3.) You could care less.
I am in favor and I assume egami you could care less and Bugeater is opposed.
Making a case to support your opinion has been done in many threads. No emotion at all involved. If there were I would most likely want Rosenblatt to stay as I have many fond memories there.
It's about keeping Omaha moving in the right direction IMO. And that direction involves spending some dollars to make the city a larger more attractive city. |
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egami
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| 03/11/2008 9:51 AM |
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Posted By Omahan on 03/11/2008 9:36 AM
The reasoning doesn't come from me. The "people" are taking aim at the mayor. (Now that we've cleared that one up)
Ok, first of all you're wrong. SOME people are taking aim at the Mayor, sure enough they are the people you disagree with.
You stated:
BACK ON TOPIC: IMO, it all boils down to practical considerations and the biggest bang for the buck appear to be propelling the city toward a new stadium.
Yet, you fail to demonstrate how this is fiscally responsible.
Again, we all know your emotion based reasoning you've reiterated on this thread and others about not wanting to lose the CWS, but you have yet to demonstrate a fiscally sensible reason that shows it's a good investment.
The firm that conducted the study answered most of those questions that you are referring to.
What a cop out...and, no, they didn't. I looked at the website and as Crit and I discussed there is a ton of detail missing.
It does make practical monetary sense and is very fiscally responsible.
Then demonstrate why. Making the statement doesn't make it true.
You're taking the Hitler approach.
Listen, Omaha is ready now to go forward into the future as a larger metropolitan midwestern city. Part of growing unfortunately is spending.
And when you spend to keep money in town it makes good sense. CWS is not about emotion for me. (You right I don't live there anymore) It's about money and keeping the money in town.
Then demonstrate how this works because the numbers are questionable at best.
Does Omaha want to progress and meet the challenges set in front of them? Or do they want to remain ultra conservative and take no chances?
Again, no substance...
Restoring Rosenblatt really isn't an option. Why restore it and watch the CWS leave town? For the Royals?
Frankly you could argue both are bad investments. Let's ignore the Rosenblatt rebuild. It's irrelevant for the purpose of demonstrating the financial sensibility in a new park.
Many, many factors involved besides money also. Image, CWS is Omaha to many. You fly into Omaha on business and get off the plane, grab you luggage and snatch a cab to swing into downtown to check into the hotel and you see the QWest Center and the Stadium - Wow, would be your first impression and what you would go back home and tell your associates.
People wanted "deeper more logical reasons" when QWest Center was being proposed. Now they absolutely have a love affair with the place. I believe the same will be for this stadium.
Belief and reality aren't mutually inclusive.
It will never be used many days of the year. Very common though for baseball stadiums.
That's not the issue. The issue is the financial burden versus the actual revenue that will be generated for the city.
Also, if ANY local taxes are raised for residents (option tax, sales tax, property tax or whatever) then all you're doing is cost shifting money from the tax payers to a handful of businesses that'll profit.
It's a fair concern for the tax payers.
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 03/11/2008 9:51 AM |
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One thing that is not being talked about in this, and that is the NCAA's involvement in this process. If you know ANYTHING about how the NCAA operates, you will understand that this is NOT about Omaha being "progressive" as much as it is Omaha being held hostage by the NCAA's demands.
At the Westside meeting last night, Jack Diesing stated several times that Omaha doesn't want to become complacent about the CWS the way Kansas City was about the NCAA keeping its headquarters there. Kansas City didn't think the NCAA would follow through on their threat to move to Indy, and people in KC are STILL in disbelief that they pulled up the tent stakes and moved back in 1987.
And Diesing is absolutely correct in saying that, if Omaha REALLY wants the CWS to stay here, they do not want to follow in KC's footsteps. And don't buy for a minute that the NCAA hasn't told Omaha this -- they WILL pack up the CWS and move it to Indy, OKC, Orlando or Bumfahk Egypt and they will not look back when they do it, either.
This is NOT an Omaha event. This is an NCAA event, and the NCAA will go where they can make the most money, and don't think for one minute that there aren't people in other cities who will write the check that gets the NCAA to move the CWS here.
I'm in favor of the new stadium, although not for the reasons stated above. I think a new stadium would be a great long-term benefit, not only for downtown, but for the zoo as well. I think there are more winners than losers here with this project, and unfortunately the people who love the College World Series at Rosenblatt are in a no-win situation. They are hanging on to an old, worn-out stadium with crappy parking and difficult access and seem to think it's the stadium that makes the CWS what it is and if the NCAA doesn't like it they can pound sand.
Guess what? The NCAA is holding the nuts right now, and those who want to keep Rosenblatt have a busted straight draw. And don't think for one second that the NCAA isn't ready to call the bluff right now. If a new stadium isn't in the works and the community isn't behind it, the last out of the 2011 College World Series will be the last time you'll see the tournament in Omaha. The NCAA has told the powers that be in Omaha this, and don't buy the b.s. denials for one solitary second that this conversation has not taken place. |
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