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wscsuperfan
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| 01/10/2008 10:57 AM |
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The Associated Press All-NFL teams:
First Team Offense
QB - Tom Brady, New England
RB - LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego
RB - Brian Westbrook, Philadelphia
FB - Lorenzo Neal, San Diego
WR - Terrell Owens, Dallas
WR - Randy Moss, New England
TE - Jason Witten, Dallas
OT - Walter Jones, Seattle
OT - Matt Light, New England
OG - Alan Faneca, Pittsburgh
OG - Steve Hutchinson, Minnesota
C - Jeff Saturday, Indianapolis
PK - Rob Bironas, Tennessee
KR - Devin Hester, Chicago
First Team Defense
DE - Jared Allen, Kansas City
DE - Patrick Kerney, Seattle
DT - Kevin Williams, Minnesota
DT - Albert Haynesworth, Tennessee
OLB - DeMarcus Ware, Dallas
OLB - Mike Vrabel, New England
ILB - Patrick Willis, San Francisco
ILB - Lofa Tatupu, Seattle
CB - Asante Samuel, New England
CB - Antonio Cromartie, San Diego
S - Ed Reed, Baltimore
S - Bob Sanders, Indianapolis
P - Andy Lee, San Francisco
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wscsuperfan
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| 01/10/2008 11:00 AM |
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Second Team Offense
QB - Brett Favre, Green Bay
RB - Adrian Peterson, Minnesota
RB - Fred Taylor, Jacksonville
FB - Tony Richardson, Minnesota
WR - Reggie Wayne, Indianapolis
WR - Braylon Edwards, Cleveland
WR - Wes Welker, New England
TE - Tony Gonzalez, Kansas City
OT - Flozell Adams, Dallas
OT - Jason Peters, Buffalo
OG - Logan Mankins, New England
OG - Leonard Davis, Dallas
C - Dan Koppen, New England
PK - Phil Dawson, Cleveland
KR - Josh Cribbs, Cleveland
Second Team Defense
DE - Aaron Kampman, Green Bay
DE - Mario Williams, Houston
DT - Pat Williams, Minnesota
DT - Vince Wilfork, New England
OLB - Shawne Merriman, San Diego
OLB - James Harrison, Pittsburgh
ILB - DeMeco Ryans, Houston
ILB - Nick Barnett, Green Bay
CB - Champ Bailey, Denver
CB - Al Harris, Green Bay
S - Darren Sharper, Minnesota
S - Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh
S - Sean Taylor, Washington
P - Shane Lechler, Oakland
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egami
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| 01/10/2008 11:48 AM |
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| So much for Mario pick being a flop. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 01/10/2008 3:10 PM |
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How about Charley Casserly? The much maligned former Houston GM that snubbed Young and Bush for Super Mario. 14 sacks this season and not a Pro-Bowler.
There must be a flaw in the system there too. |
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egami
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| 01/10/2008 3:19 PM |
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| I don't see Casserly as being the brainchild behind Mario though. Mario was at the top of numerous teams boards...Dallas, for one. Also, he was highly sought after by half of the staff in Houston including the HC and don't forget that they did attempt to secure a deal with Bush (iirc), but he wouldn't take it. So, not too sure I'd give a lot of credit there to Casserly, personally. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 01/10/2008 3:53 PM |
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I think since Casserly suffered the brunt of heavy scrutiny for snubbing the hometown Young and not being able to seal a deal with Bush. He most certainly should now receive the lion's share of kudos for Mario's success.
After all, he made the pick for the Texans and does a upstanding job for NFL Today now. |
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egami
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| 01/10/2008 4:04 PM |
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| I guess if stumbling into it gets you kudos. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 01/10/2008 4:34 PM |
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No way should DE - Patrick Kerney, Seattle be picked ahead of Aaron Kampman of Green Bay!
As usual these so called all nfl teams are subject to rebuttal!
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Omahan
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| 01/10/2008 6:39 PM |
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Stumbling?
Casserly singularly made the decision to draft Mario #1.
He didn't stumble a bit. Much to the chagrin of the Houston faithful and to the astonishment of many of the leagues front office brass.
During his four years leading the Texans in the NFL draft, Houston was the only team to draft two Rookies of the Year (Domanick Davis, Dunta Robinson) and two starting Pro Bowlers (Andre Johnson, Jerome Mathis).
Stumbling?
At the time it really was a LA Clipper 'esque move.
The guy stuck his neck out and considering what Vince and Reggie have done, it has paid off for the Texans.
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Bugeater
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| 01/10/2008 7:01 PM |
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| LOL, no first team Donks or Raiders. |
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egami
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| 01/10/2008 10:56 PM |
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It was Kubiak and Smith that pushed for Mario Williams.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/texans/2006-04-30-williams-pledge_x.htm
It's my recollection that Casserly wanted Bush, most of that was speculation at the time, but it would certainly partially explain talks with Bush regarding dollar amounts.
Either way, it's pretty clear the owner gave the cred here to Kubiak. And I think Smith and probably even McNair were heavily leaning toward Williams from the start.
But believe what you want to...he's gone, and the Texans are flourishing fine without him. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 01/11/2008 7:50 AM |
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It was Cheney and others that pushed for welfare reform & border control.
It was Bush that pulls the trigger.
Every Jordan has a Pippen, however when the chips are down the appointed "difference maker" calls the shots. Casserly was solely responsible for drafting Mario.
The bottom line is the Texans made the correct call in drafting Williams. But it was a collective decision with Casserly leading the charge.
If and when Casserly puts "drafted the next Reggie White" at the top of his resume, he will be engaging in revisionist history.
Every decision made on draft day is a collective decision to some extent. In this case it seems that Charley suffered the scrutiny when the decision seemed Sam Bowie-like.
Now he should be able to bask a bit and take credit for rolling the dice and proving them wrong again.
His decisions for both the Redskins and the Texans drew wide acclaim.
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egami
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| 01/11/2008 8:29 AM |
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Posted By Omahan on 01/11/2008 7:50 AM
The bottom line is the Texans made the correct call in drafting Williams. But it was a collective decision with Casserly leading the charge.
I never contested it was the wrong move, in fact, quite the opposite. I supported the Williams draft pick from the start.
All I am saying is it wasn't his brainchild to draft Williams. The owner clearly gave a ton of credit to Kubiak, and I'll continue believe it's more his credit.
Casserly also was responsible for drafting, and continually supporting, David Carr...yet, I don't see you bragging about that.
It's not like his overall draft work was a source of genius even if you give him unquestionable, solo credit for Williams.
At any rate...that's where I stand. You're welcome to disagree.
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 01/11/2008 10:36 AM |
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He started out as an unpaid intern under George Allen.
In 1999 NFL Executive of the Year for his masterful draft moves.
On draft day in 1999, Casserly acquired all of the New Orleans Saints 1999 selections, plus their first and third-round picks in 2000 by simply swamping the Redskins' fifth selection in the first round for the Saints' 12th choice. He still managed to obtain the player that Washington wanted, selecting future Pro Bowl cornerback Champ Bailey.
It is easy to toot Casserly's horn because he deserves it. The touch of gold he has. |
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egami
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| 01/11/2008 10:52 AM |
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| Yeah, like I said, that Carr pick proved out great. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 01/11/2008 10:57 AM |
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John Clayton did a peice about Carr. Talked about how he was the best NFL QB that never got a chance.
Claimed Carr's offensive line was subpar for his entire career.
Hey, Casserly also drafted Desmond Howard. So he made his share of mistakes.
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egami
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| 01/11/2008 11:06 AM |
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I normally agree with John Clayton. Not on that one. No question their line sucked, but when his WR's announce shortly after he is shipping out of Houston that he struggled reading defenses and typically went into passing situations trying to hit his #1 you know there are deeper issues.
Be interesting to see Clayton's take now on Carr...he wasn't impressive in his new home with a better o-line. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 01/11/2008 11:29 AM |
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Calculated risk is the game and anyway we shape it, Charley Casserly was one of the best at it.
Rumor is he is now floating his resume around sniffing out another GM job in the league. |
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egami
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| 01/11/2008 11:44 AM |
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Ok, but I just don't see a ton of calculate risk in those top picks.
Carr was a text book pick by most accounts and you my thoughts on Williams...
I am not saying the guy isn't good. I am saying he isn't anything special. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 01/13/2008 11:10 AM |
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In draft circles, I don't know if "textbook" relates. There is nothing textbook about rating players and gambling on outcomes.
The Carr-wreck that has been David Carr's career in the NFL has been paved with many details. He still holds the record for being the most sacked QB in league history and I don't think throwing passes into the stands would've changed that total much. He was under seige almost before the ball hit his hands.
Could David Carr have done better in a situation where he had a stronger offensive line? Yes is my answer but I don't think he was a #1 pick type of talent with hindsight being 20/20.
Mario Williams isn't that special? 2nd year is in the books and it was a whopper. |
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