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DMan
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| 11/12/2007 5:20 PM |
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| The strap that attaches your prosthesis doesn't count as a black belt in martial arts Legless. You'll have to follow the same path as everyone and go through the ranks and earn it. Eventually you'll have to spar and that will be the end the line for you. |
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vranged
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| 11/12/2007 5:24 PM |
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Was that Christian? Was that low?
Two more simple questions that you can't answer b/c the responses destroy everything you claim to be. TOO MOTHERFCKING EASY TO PUT YOU IN YOUR PLACE!! |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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reideen
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| 11/12/2007 5:30 PM |
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Back on topic guys....
My thing with complaints about 'running up the score' is, it goes back to the whole 'everybody gets a trophy for participating' type of mentality that has seeped into our youth sports today.
Everybody isn't a winner. (See Dman) Everybody doesn't deserve a trophy/medal/certificate/whatever. If they did, we wouldn't keep score and we wouldn't have a championship at the end of the season.
I guarantee the KState players aren't thinking to themselves 'We're winners because we played the game.' They're thinking 'I hate NU and its going to be my goal next year to make sure they don't beat us again.'
Losing makes most people work harder. Losing allows a person to learn from their mistakes. It makes them stronger people and they're better suited to handle challenges & adversity in the future by drawing off the strength they developed as a result of the loss.
I guess maybe that's where Matt & I differ. Maybe Matt grew up playing rec sports where everybody had a pizza party and got their trophys for 15th place in their age group at the end of the season. I didn't. We had a winner - the rest of the teams were all losers and we wanted to be the #1 team next year. Maybe Matt hasn't experienced that.
Learning this is vital to becoming an adult and getting into the real world. Not everyone is going to get the promotion. There can be only one boss, regardless of how fragile your feelings are.
Toughen up now or toughen up later - makes no difference to me. Matter of fact, it makes it easier for me and people like me to get ahead by taking advantage of the lessons learned from losing in the past.
Maybe someday Matt will gain enough maturity to learn this.
I won't hold my breath. |
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Blackshirt
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| 11/12/2007 6:28 PM |
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There's winning. Then there's winning and keeping your starters in.
Of course, Callahan loves keeping his starters in when the team's losing getting drilled, too. And that's been more common lately |
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"Perhaps the worst thing that can happen is to reach into the refrigerator and come out with something that you cannot identify at all. You literally do not know what it is. Could be meat, could be cake. Usually, at a time like that, I'll bluff. "Honey, is this good?" "Well, what is it?" "I don't know. I've never seen anything like it. It looks like...meatcake!" "Well, smell it." (snort, sniff) "It has absolutely no smell whatsoever!" "It's good! Put it back! Somebody is saving it. It'll turn up in something." Thats what frightens me. That someone will consider it a challenge and use it just because it's in there." -- George Carlin |
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reideen
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| 11/12/2007 6:47 PM |
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Who cares who's in the game? Starters are starters for a reason. They won the position. (Unless they're the son of a friend of the HC of NU, then they agreed to take the postion...) Shouldn't they get to play the entire game - just like they would in a loss - if they want to?
Its a competition. They don't have to be nice so someone's feelings don't get hurt. |
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Blackshirt
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| 11/12/2007 7:08 PM |
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It's called player development. Those players don't have unlimited eligibility. And, judging by all accounts, the subs don't get practice reps that they used to.
Today's subs are tomorrow's starters and they need to get game action when they can. |
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"Perhaps the worst thing that can happen is to reach into the refrigerator and come out with something that you cannot identify at all. You literally do not know what it is. Could be meat, could be cake. Usually, at a time like that, I'll bluff. "Honey, is this good?" "Well, what is it?" "I don't know. I've never seen anything like it. It looks like...meatcake!" "Well, smell it." (snort, sniff) "It has absolutely no smell whatsoever!" "It's good! Put it back! Somebody is saving it. It'll turn up in something." Thats what frightens me. That someone will consider it a challenge and use it just because it's in there." -- George Carlin |
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reideen
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| 11/12/2007 7:28 PM |
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| I can appreciate that, but that's a completely different subject. We all know Beau sucks at player development. (IMO the entire coaching staff is guilty of this, but again, different subject.) He doesn't play the players who are skilled as much as he plays the kids of people he knows. |
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egami
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| 11/13/2007 7:23 AM |
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reideen, I completely agree with you about running up the score...who cares, 3rd grade flag football, bury them and their non-blue colored ribbons, imo.
However, it's irresponsible for Callahan to leave them in with the lead he did when you are one game away from bowl eligibility. He needs those starters fresh and healthy for Colorado.
Granted, Callahan doesn't care now...but, assuming he did... |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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reideen
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| 11/13/2007 7:38 AM |
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Posted By egami on 11/13/2007 7:23 AM
However, it's irresponsible for Callahan to leave them in with the lead he did when you are one game away from bowl eligibility. He needs those starters fresh and healthy for Colorado.
Granted, Callahan doesn't care now...but, assuming he did...
I agree. However, that wasn't Matt's rant after the game on Saturday. His complaint was solely about the score and how 'bush league' it was of Beau to run it up against KState. Nothing was said about pulling the starters to protect them from injury. Nothing was said about getting the 2nd or 3rd string in to get them some game experience, since they'll, in theory, be taking over the starting spots next year. That's what I have an issue with. Matt's inability to make a statement and then back it up with rational thought amazes me.
Egami - your point and Blackshirts' are completely valid - if they'd been the reasons given for Matt's feigned outrage, I wouldn't even have brought this topic up.
I don't want to turn this into another anti-Matt thread though either. I think there are a lot of people who think/feel the same thing he does, who haven't thought thru the reason they feel that way about running the score up. They've been taught by the media, their little league coaches, their elementary school teachers, etc, that it is bad to do. Thus the 10 run rule in little league. 'We don't want the other team to feel bad because we're handing them their @sses - so we'll stop beating them at 10 runs.' - BS. Play the game. IMO if you lose - the points don't matter in the end. You're still the loser in the contest and it hurts the same.
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DMan
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| 11/13/2007 8:00 AM |
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Every game played on every level has it's own unique set of circumstances. K State -vs- Nebraska 2007 was not a game where one coach deliberately ran up the score against another. Look on K State's website at the quotes from Prince & Freeman. Neither feels that way and most just thought Nebraska had an offensive explosion that was long overdue.
Seems that Perrault could pick a needle out of a pile of rubbage to find something, anything to rib the skers about. His demise in Omaha will be because of his overwhelming inability to remain objective to the home team. People know what is objective and what is hating. Toss out the rhetoric about kool-aid drinking and such. Huskers fans are about loyalty. Matt is loyal to his Boston teams and would feel exactly the same way if a Nebraskan moved there and took shots at his beloved teams. Around Nebraska, his following is decreasing and it is a direct result of him being oblivious of his mentality towards the home team. He doesn't have to be a homer, just call it straight down the line. The sides of his mouth are always chapped from heavy flow outward. |
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egami
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| 11/13/2007 8:04 AM |
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Posted By reideen on 11/13/2007 7:38 AM Posted By egami on 11/13/2007 7:23 AM
However, it's irresponsible for Callahan to leave them in with the lead he did when you are one game away from bowl eligibility. He needs those starters fresh and healthy for Colorado.
Granted, Callahan doesn't care now...but, assuming he did... I agree. However, that wasn't Matt's rant after the game on Saturday. His complaint was solely about the score and how 'bush league' it was of Beau to run it up against KState. Nothing was said about pulling the starters to protect them from injury. Nothing was said about getting the 2nd or 3rd string in to get them some game experience, since they'll, in theory, be taking over the starting spots next year. That's what I have an issue with. Matt's inability to make a statement and then back it up with rational thought amazes me. Egami - your point and Blackshirts' are completely valid - if they'd been the reasons given for Matt's feigned outrage, I wouldn't even have brought this topic up. I don't want to turn this into another anti-Matt thread though either. I think there are a lot of people who think/feel the same thing he does, who haven't thought thru the reason they feel that way about running the score up. They've been taught by the media, their little league coaches, their elementary school teachers, etc, that it is bad to do. Thus the 10 run rule in little league. 'We don't want the other team to feel bad because we're handing them their @sses - so we'll stop beating them at 10 runs.' - BS. Play the game. IMO if you lose - the points don't matter in the end. You're still the loser in the contest and it hurts the same.
Yeah, I trashed Matt earlier in the thread.
I think your assessment of him is dead on.
There wasn't peep out of him when NU got dragged through the mud by 70+, but when they do it he puts on his hater hat.
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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egami
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| 11/13/2007 8:05 AM |
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Posted By DMan on 11/13/2007 8:00 AM
Every game played on every level has it's own unique set of circumstances. K State -vs- Nebraska 2007 was not a game where one coach deliberately ran up the score against another. Look on K State's website at the quotes from Prince & Freeman. Neither feels that way and most just thought Nebraska had an offensive explosion that was long overdue.
Seems that Perrault could pick a needle out of a pile of rubbage to find something, anything to rib the skers about. His demise in Omaha will be because of his overwhelming inability to remain objective to the home team. People know what is objective and what is hating. Toss out the rhetoric about kool-aid drinking and such. Huskers fans are about loyalty. Matt is loyal to his Boston teams and would feel exactly the same way if a Nebraskan moved there and took shots at his beloved teams. Around Nebraska, his following is decreasing and it is a direct result of him being oblivious of his mentality towards the home team. He doesn't have to be a homer, just call it straight down the line. The sides of his mouth are always chapped from heavy flow outward.
Hence, Boston Sports 590. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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DMan
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| 11/13/2007 8:11 AM |
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| Public Relations 101 at the Community College would probably help him at his next job. It's too late here. His bed is made. Journal will have no choice but to send him packing before to long. His appeal flame is sputtering to a point of not being alive in some parts. His lame attempts at being objective even go down as obvious. I hear from folks all the time and sometimes I ask about local programs and such. Whenever his name comes up, the consensus is that he dug his grave, is attempting to restructure his reputation, but it is too late because everyone knows the truth. |
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vranged
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| 11/13/2007 8:18 AM |
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I believe Callahan has seen what his players have gone through over the last several months. It's been brutal on every level. The offense was clicking like it never had before, and Callahan basically decided that he was going to let his kids have as much fun as possible. He was going to let Ganz go for records. He was going to reward Lucky late in the game by giving him another TD.
So, I think there are truths to what both of you are saying, from a pure football/sportsmanship perspective. That being said, I think Callahan said "screw those unwritten rules; my kids are going to have a good time today". I admire Callahan for it. The kids on the field deserved what they were given, and that meant disregarding conventional thinking. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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Logan
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| 11/13/2007 9:47 AM |
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Posted By DMan on 11/12/2007 5:20 PM
The strap that attaches your prosthesis doesn't count as a black belt in martial arts Legless. You'll have to follow the same path as everyone and go through the ranks and earn it. Eventually you'll have to spar and that will be the end the line for you.
yep that prosthesis kept me from winning sparring competitions at tournaments dwight. |
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dwight, refuting reality one post at a time. |
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egami
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| 11/13/2007 10:00 AM |
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Posted By vranged on 11/13/2007 8:18 AM
I believe Callahan has seen what his players have gone through over the last several months. It's been brutal on every level. The offense was clicking like it never had before, and Callahan basically decided that he was going to let his kids have as much fun as possible. He was going to let Ganz go for records. He was going to reward Lucky late in the game by giving him another TD.
So, I think there are truths to what both of you are saying, from a pure football/sportsmanship perspective. That being said, I think Callahan said "screw those unwritten rules; my kids are going to have a good time today". I admire Callahan for it. The kids on the field deserved what they were given, and that meant disregarding conventional thinking.
Hard to say...personally, I think you're giving him more credit that he deserves.
To me, even if I am in Callahan's position, I rest starters and try to give my kids the best opportunity to play in a bowl game. That's the real reward.
I am not saying that that's not a feasible reason behind what Callahan was doing...but to me, the best reward for a D1 athlete is bowl eligibility.
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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vranged
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| 11/13/2007 10:02 AM |
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| I may be giving him too much credit. But that's how I saw it on Saturday. If it's not the way I described above, what other reason would there be to keep them in the game? |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 11/13/2007 10:04 AM |
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Posted By vranged on 11/13/2007 10:02 AM
I may be giving him too much credit. But that's how I saw it on Saturday. If it's not the way I described above, what other reason would there be to keep them in the game?
My first thought when I saw it was revenge for the embarassment the week before and to save face and hope to show he is still a viable OC.
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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vranged
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| 11/13/2007 10:05 AM |
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| That could have factored in. I guess it's all speculation. It was good to see the team having fun regardless. I don't mind the fact that they were out there. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 11/13/2007 10:09 AM |
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I can see it both ways...and it's purely speculation, I certainly have no idea what runs through his mind with some of his decisions.
At this point, he has nothing to lose and there is probably psychological value to letting your team run up the score on KSU going into CU as well. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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