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| 10/04/2007 1:03 PM |
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Posted By ChiefLongStaff on 10/04/2007 12:57 PM
and your point is?
My point is that your point was pretty pointless. |
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| 10/04/2007 1:10 PM |
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Posted By egami on 10/04/2007 1:03 PM Posted By ChiefLongStaff on 10/04/2007 12:57 PM
and your point is? My point is that your point was pretty pointless.
No it wasn't. Mizzu's stats are a little skewed because they played a 1aa team.
I'm surprised that you would want to get into a conversation that involves 1aa teams. 
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| 10/04/2007 1:14 PM |
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It's pure ignorance to make that distinction when there are clearly 1AA teams that are better that 1A teams. You shouldn't be surprised either because unlike you I am a realist and I can take off my "fan boy" blinders long enough to look at facts and ASU is actually the perfect team to establish my point with...they could run with most any other team in the B10 or B12.
ISU is weaker than a number of 1AA teams. They essentially equal to Mizzou's 1AA opponent and you guys could barely run with them in the first half.
Their stats aren't any more skewed that with you playing ISU. We're half way through the damn season practically.
Sagarin ranks them about equitably. Close enough. |
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| 10/04/2007 1:23 PM |
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Posted By egami on 10/04/2007 1:14 PM
It's pure ignorance to make that distinction when there are clearly 1AA teams that are better that 1A teams. You shouldn't be surprised either because unlike you I am a realist and I can take off my "fan boy" blinders long enough to look at facts and ASU is actually the perfect team to establish my point with...they could run with most any other team in the B10 or B12.
ISU is weaker than a number of 1AA teams. They essentially equal to Mizzou's 1AA opponent and you guys could barely run with them in the first half.
Their stats aren't any more skewed that with you playing ISU. We're half way through the damn season practically.
Your argument would hold water if we were talking about App State, but we're talking about Illinois State. A 1aa team that is 2-3 including a loss to Drake. I don't think that ISU is anywhere close to Illinois State, but nice try. |
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| 10/04/2007 1:24 PM |
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And one would expect that argument from a Mythigan fan.
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| 10/04/2007 1:28 PM |
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Posted By ChiefLongStaff on 10/04/2007 1:23 PM
Your argument would hold water if we were talking about App State, but we're talking about Illinois State. A 1aa team that is 2-3 including a loss to Drake. I don't think that ISU is anywhere close to Illinois State, but nice try.
90 Iowa State A = 63.59
100 Ill. State AA = 61.89
Close enough for this debate to be over.
Oh, and if you want to see evidence regarding A/AA teams...take a look at the overall Sagarin rankings. Only a complete idiot would contend that a AA is automatically worse than an A on that premise alone.
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| 10/04/2007 1:30 PM |
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LOL. Whatever dude. I said about five posts ago that I didn't want to get into a dumbass debate about which defense is sh!ttier. Now I'm done.
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| 10/04/2007 1:33 PM |
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Posted By egami on 10/04/2007 1:14 PM
ISU is weaker than a number of 1AA teams. They essentially equal to Mizzou's 1AA opponent and you guys could barely run with them in the first half.
May I assume that you did not attend the game on Saturday? Honestly, even down 10-0, we were in many ways kicking the crap out of ISU on two or three downs, and then they would eek something out or we would rough the punter, get some other special teams penalty, or turnover. The defense was playing MUCH better than they had at Ball State, USC, and Wake. However, they got hung out to dry by special teams and the offense in the first half and part of the third. They were looking gassed at the end, which is why you saw a 97 yard drive. And ISU did not just march down the field like it wasn't shoot, they had to scratch and claw. By this time, the boys were probably getting worn out from being hung out to dry so much.
But, again, in the first half, our defense looked the best it has thus far. |
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| 10/04/2007 1:41 PM |
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Posted By TheCrusher on 10/04/2007 1:33 PM Posted By egami on 10/04/2007 1:14 PM
ISU is weaker than a number of 1AA teams. They essentially equal to Mizzou's 1AA opponent and you guys could barely run with them in the first half. May I assume that you did not attend the game on Saturday? Honestly, even down 10-0, we were in many ways kicking the crap out of ISU on two or three downs, and then they would eek something out or we would rough the punter, get some other special teams penalty, or turnover. The defense was playing MUCH better than they had at Ball State, USC, and Wake. However, they got hung out to dry by special teams and the offense in the first half and part of the third. They were looking gassed at the end, which is why you saw a 97 yard drive. And ISU did not just march down the field like it wasn't shoot, they had to scratch and claw. By this time, the boys were probably getting worn out from being hung out to dry so much. But, again, in the first half, our defense looked the best it has thus far.
What exactly is your contention? They outrushed you. They outpassed you.
Yes, you won the game. Yes, ISU is about equal to a 1AA opponent. They are ranked 10 slots higher than Mizzou's 1AA opponent.
My point is that SquawNoStaff doesn't have a leg to stand on in saying that Mizzou's stats are skewed because of that game. It's a ridiculous assertion.
And, yes, I will be at most of the ISU home games this season as I have been for the past 3 years. And, yes, I was at that game for 3 quarters. |
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| 10/04/2007 2:58 PM |
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| bottom line. mizzou will win and cover. how many more fvcking times do i need to say it. |
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| 10/04/2007 4:36 PM |
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Posted By egami on 10/04/2007 1:41 PM Posted By TheCrusher on 10/04/2007 1:33 PM Posted By egami on 10/04/2007 1:14 PM
ISU is weaker than a number of 1AA teams. They essentially equal to Mizzou's 1AA opponent and you guys could barely run with them in the first half. May I assume that you did not attend the game on Saturday? Honestly, even down 10-0, we were in many ways kicking the crap out of ISU on two or three downs, and then they would eek something out or we would rough the punter, get some other special teams penalty, or turnover. The defense was playing MUCH better than they had at Ball State, USC, and Wake. However, they got hung out to dry by special teams and the offense in the first half and part of the third. They were looking gassed at the end, which is why you saw a 97 yard drive. And ISU did not just march down the field like it wasn't shoot, they had to scratch and claw. By this time, the boys were probably getting worn out from being hung out to dry so much. But, again, in the first half, our defense looked the best it has thus far. What exactly is your contention? They outrushed you. They outpassed you. Yes, you won the game. Yes, ISU is about equal to a 1AA opponent. They are ranked 10 slots higher than Mizzou's 1AA opponent. My point is that SquawNoStaff doesn't have a leg to stand on in saying that Mizzou's stats are skewed because of that game. It's a ridiculous assertion. And, yes, I will be at most of the ISU home games this season as I have been for the past 3 years. And, yes, I was at that game for 3 quarters.
Didn't mean to rattle your cage. So many people who are talking about the ISU game were not in attendance. Stats can be deceiving. For example, looking at yardage totals for the the USC game:
USC ~ 450
NU ~ 420
Could lead someone to say that was a close game. Well, anyone watching it would know differently.
You made the statement that we could barely run with them in the first half. I saw the game and my opinion differs. We roughed the punter after a three and out, lined up offsides on a punt, fumbled at the goal line, threw a pick on the long ball, failed to manage the clock in the red zone at the end of the half.....shall I continue?
Seriously, if we do not do those things, it is likely a 21-0 NU at the half. We beat ourselves, but the defense was holding it end up in the first half.
Quick scores, mistakes, and turnovers left the D out to dry....
Again, my opinion. |
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| 10/05/2007 8:35 AM |
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Posted By TheCrusher on 10/04/2007 4:36 PM
Didn't mean to rattle your cage. So many people who are talking about the ISU game were not in attendance. Stats can be deceiving. For example, looking at yardage totals for the the USC game:
USC ~ 450
NU ~ 420
Could lead someone to say that was a close game. Well, anyone watching it would know differently.
You made the statement that we could barely run with them in the first half. I saw the game and my opinion differs. We roughed the punter after a three and out, lined up offsides on a punt, fumbled at the goal line, threw a pick on the long ball, failed to manage the clock in the red zone at the end of the half.....shall I continue?
Apparently it was I who rattled the cage...it was an off-the-cuff remark toward a Nebraska Kool-Aid drunken fan that is clearly being deliberately illogical.
I don't disagree with your perception...at least not greatly, I do think Nebraska struggled more than they should have regardless of the rose colored tint. At the end of the day ISU had no business putting up those numbers against you if you're a top 25 team. And I do believe that is cause for concern regardless of the final score.
However, point being, when I asked what your contention was...it was because my main point wasn't about the ISU/NU game. It was about SquawNoStaff's assertion that ISU is infinitely better than the 1AA Mizzou played was absurd and that claiming their stats were skewed because of it is ludicrous.
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| 10/05/2007 12:14 PM |
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Posted By egami on 10/05/2007 8:35 AM Posted By TheCrusher on 10/04/2007 4:36 PM
Didn't mean to rattle your cage. So many people who are talking about the ISU game were not in attendance. Stats can be deceiving. For example, looking at yardage totals for the the USC game:
USC ~ 450
NU ~ 420
Could lead someone to say that was a close game. Well, anyone watching it would know differently.
You made the statement that we could barely run with them in the first half. I saw the game and my opinion differs. We roughed the punter after a three and out, lined up offsides on a punt, fumbled at the goal line, threw a pick on the long ball, failed to manage the clock in the red zone at the end of the half.....shall I continue? Apparently it was I who rattled the cage...it was an off-the-cuff remark toward a Nebraska Kool-Aid drunken fan that is clearly being deliberately illogical. I don't disagree with your perception...at least not greatly, I do think Nebraska struggled more than they should have regardless of the rose colored tint. At the end of the day ISU had no business putting up those numbers against you if you're a top 25 team. And I do believe that is cause for concern regardless of the final score. However, point being, when I asked what your contention was...it was because my main point wasn't about the ISU/NU game. It was about SquawNoStaff's assertion that ISU is infinitely better than the 1AA Mizzou played was absurd and that claiming their stats were skewed because of it is ludicrous.
Enough said. I understand your point. I simply took umbrage at the 'we could barely run with them' comment.
I am no kool-aide drinker nor am I among the 'this is the worst team ever' crowd. I want the best team possible. I think this staff has obvious shortcomings, but so did TO's at various points in his tenure. I am always in favor of giving an HC the entire football season before I give a grade.
So far, improvement on D is definitely in order ( a MUST), but we are 4-1 with the 33rd toughest schedule--so they are doing some things right. Missouri's defense is generally ranked lowers than ours, yet their SOS is 95th. So, how will that factor into the game? In about 32 hours we will know.
I don't like to hear people pump sunshine where there clearly isn't any (i.e. defense against Ball State), but I also do not like it when people, IMO, exaggerate in the other direction. |
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| 10/05/2007 12:20 PM |
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Posted By TheCrusher on 10/05/2007 12:14 PM
I don't like to hear people pump sunshine where there clearly isn't any (i.e. defense against Ball State), but I also do not like it when people, IMO, exaggerate in the other direction.
Fair enough, just understand that when I am addressing the likes of the homers on this board I'll deliberately put jabs in there that may be purposely slanted against the Huskers. |
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| 10/05/2007 12:20 PM |
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| is the spread still 7 for the mizzou game? |
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dwight, refuting reality one post at a time. |
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| 10/05/2007 12:30 PM |
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egami:
As is your right on here. Depending on my mood I may fire right back 
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I think so |
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| 10/05/2007 12:30 PM |
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| Yep. |
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| 10/05/2007 12:54 PM |
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| i'll take what vegas has to say over any other prognosticator. |
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| 10/05/2007 3:10 PM |
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Posted By Logan on 10/05/2007 12:54 PM
i'll take what vegas has to say over any other prognosticator.
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| 10/05/2007 3:40 PM |
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Posted By Tim in Omaha on 10/05/2007 3:10 PM Posted By Logan on 10/05/2007 12:54 PM
i'll take what vegas has to say over any other prognosticator. Thanks Travis
you're welcome, dwight. |
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