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egami
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| 08/22/2007 8:00 AM |
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I think I've had it with the Grossman apologists. What pushed me over the edge was an ESPN comparison that paralleled Peyton Mannings first so many starts against Grossman's and insinuated that we have to give the kid at least another year before we are too harsh on him.
Newsflash, ESPN! When Peyton started with the Colts they were NOTHING. They weren't a SB caliber team that was in need of a commanding presence at QB to make their run secure. They sucked.
Look, I had my patience with Grossman. I shifted my stance on him mid-season 2006 about week 10 when he should of been shelved for the rest of the season. The guy developed some incredibly bad habits, his form was terrible which translated into his poor INT and completion perceptages and let's not forget...there aren't really any intangibles the guy brings in terms of leadership.
It's time for Chicago to prepare for the post-Rex era. If he can't manage games, and especially if he starts being a liability again (Arizona game), then they have to pull him and hand the reigns over to the backup.
Seriously, apologists, the odds this year are stacked against you. He must deliver, he must manage games, he must correct his mechanics and, at very least, manage games like Big Ben was able to do in Pitt.
This isn't a rookie. And last year wasn't really "essentially" his rookie year with two years of NFL experience and practice under his belt.
Rex, it's time to shape up or ship out. And your pre-season dismal performance isn't raising your stock right now. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 08/22/2007 12:16 PM |
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| Matt Perrault-"Rex Grossman will never win a super bowl." |
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dwight, refuting reality one post at a time. |
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egami
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| 08/22/2007 12:17 PM |
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| At least he and I agree on something. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 08/22/2007 2:33 PM |
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And Brian Griese is the backup.  |
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"Perhaps the worst thing that can happen is to reach into the refrigerator and come out with something that you cannot identify at all. You literally do not know what it is. Could be meat, could be cake. Usually, at a time like that, I'll bluff. "Honey, is this good?" "Well, what is it?" "I don't know. I've never seen anything like it. It looks like...meatcake!" "Well, smell it." (snort, sniff) "It has absolutely no smell whatsoever!" "It's good! Put it back! Somebody is saving it. It'll turn up in something." Thats what frightens me. That someone will consider it a challenge and use it just because it's in there." -- George Carlin |
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egami
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| 08/22/2007 2:48 PM |
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Yeah, Griese, the guy with a career stat line that proves he's serviceable and more stable than Wrex:
63% Comp. %, 104 TD, 80 INT, 84.5% QB Rat
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Crit40
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| 08/22/2007 8:42 PM |
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First you diss my Hawkeyes, then it's my Cardinals, and now you move to my Bears? If Rex could just hold on to the pigskin, throw the ball to the right jerseys and not get rattled on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd and ten, he would be outstanding.
In Chicago tradition......the QB seems to be the least heralded position. |
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egami
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| 08/22/2007 9:15 PM |
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Posted By Crit40 on 08/22/2007 8:42 PM
First you diss my Hawkeyes, then it's my Cardinals, and now you move to my Bears? If Rex could just hold on to the pigskin, throw the ball to the right jerseys and not get rattled on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd and ten, he would be outstanding.
In Chicago tradition......the QB seems to be the least heralded position.
If it means anything I hate your hockey team to.
Then again, I hate all hockey teams.
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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egami
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| 09/25/2007 9:26 AM |
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| The time has come for Wrex Grossform to step aside. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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vranged
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| 09/25/2007 9:49 AM |
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Why didn't the Bears look at Byron Leftwich? He's exactly the type of QB they need.
Jeff George needs a job, too. I'm just saying.... |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 09/25/2007 10:06 AM |
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As much as I am not a Leftwich fan he may of been a decent fit there actually. Certainly a better, more consistant, option than Grossform. I think the Bears just needed to go through the denial that he was a 1st round failure.
And, also, I think Griese is a better fit than Leftwich and certainly lighter on the cap. Maybe the Bears feel that way too.
Sometimes I wonder if they will ever have a real QB... |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 09/25/2007 10:37 AM |
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Posted By Logan on 08/22/2007 12:16 PM
Matt Perrault-"Rex Grossman will never win a super bowl."
Haaaa Nice one Logan |
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Cornhuskers the winningest college football program of the last 50 years, both by winning percentage and number of wins.
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vranged
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| 09/25/2007 10:39 AM |
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Leftwich could never lead a team to greatness on his own. But put him on a squad with a great defense, and a good running game -- I think he's intelligent, disciplined and talented enough to make the necessary plays, to lead a team (like the Bears) to great things....maybe even a Super Bowl.
The only defense for Grossman is that he got them there last year. I agree it was in spite of, not because of, him that the Bears made it. However, if you're a QB in the NFL, and you lead your team to the Super Bowl, some credit must be given.
As for Brian Griese -- he's basically Trent Dilfer. And Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. So, Lovie's gotta make the change. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 09/25/2007 10:53 AM |
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Posted By vranged on 09/25/2007 10:39 AM
Leftwich could never lead a team to greatness on his own. But put him on a squad with a great defense, and a good running game -- I think he's intelligent, disciplined and talented enough to make the necessary plays, to lead a team (like the Bears) to great things....maybe even a Super Bowl.
I agree with that. Before last season I might not of, but seeing how far they got with Wrex I think that he could of been enough of a difference maker to make it competative.
Posted By vranged on 09/25/2007 10:39 AM
The only defense for Grossman is that he got them there last year. I agree it was in spite of, not because of, him that the Bears made it. However, if you're a QB in the NFL, and you lead your team to the Super Bowl, some credit must be given.
As for Brian Griese -- he's basically Trent Dilfer. And Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. So, Lovie's gotta make the change.
Yeah, I would of said the same...in spite of Wrex. I might argue giving him any real credit some, but it's not a point worth arguing being that we're in essentially the same position on him.
Griese may be a Dilfer. That's probably a decent analogy...but at this point they need to change. Questioning him at 0-2 is completely different than 10-2. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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vranged
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| 09/25/2007 10:59 AM |
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| I know we're not arguing giving him credit since we agree, but Grossman was the favorite for MVP after Week Five last year (or a week close thereto). He contributed to the Bears success A LOT early. Then, he fell apart. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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Crit40
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| 09/25/2007 11:07 AM |
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Posted By vranged on 09/25/2007 9:49 AM
Why didn't the Bears look at Byron Leftwich? He's exactly the type of QB they need.
Jeff George needs a job, too. I'm just saying....
Because the Chicago Bears, as proven by history, believe the QB is the least important guy on the team.  |
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Blackshirt
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| 09/25/2007 10:38 PM |
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Well, we'll find out about Griese now.
As for the veteran QB thing, I have to admit, picking up Garcia is looking good for the Bucs so far.
Huge two weeks coming up for them, at Carolina with the division lead on the line, then they get the Colts.
Rex Grossman would have fit in with the 1983-1993 Tampa Bay teams. He's been the Bears' own Jack Thompson. |
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"Perhaps the worst thing that can happen is to reach into the refrigerator and come out with something that you cannot identify at all. You literally do not know what it is. Could be meat, could be cake. Usually, at a time like that, I'll bluff. "Honey, is this good?" "Well, what is it?" "I don't know. I've never seen anything like it. It looks like...meatcake!" "Well, smell it." (snort, sniff) "It has absolutely no smell whatsoever!" "It's good! Put it back! Somebody is saving it. It'll turn up in something." Thats what frightens me. That someone will consider it a challenge and use it just because it's in there." -- George Carlin |
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egami
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| 09/26/2007 7:19 AM |
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Garcia is a no-brainer veteran to pick up, imo. I think the Bears should've considered him despite the fact they aren't WCO. Accomodating his talent by altering the offense some with some spread looks would have opened up their depleted running game. They'd be 3-0 right now.
Griese can't be worse than Wrex. He isn't the best QB in the world, but he isn't as bad as Wrex. Wrex still has mechanical issues and I think it shows most when he is under pressure. That's beside the fact that I don't think the guy could lead a starving pack of fat people to the buffet table. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 09/26/2007 7:44 AM |
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Both Dilfer and Griese were Tampa QB's who were let go. Sad really. I quite liked Griese and thought they should have kept him and let Simms go.
Glad to see him get another shot. |
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egami
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| 09/26/2007 7:59 AM |
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| I am a bit biased toward Griese for obvious reasons, but overall I have never been impressed with Gruden's QB juggling. They always talk about how he likes to "collect" QB's and I think quite frankly the guy is overly critical and too quick to pull the trigger. If there is one position that is nice to have stability at it's QB. Especially in this era of the NFL. He is kind of the polar opposite of Lovie...I think Lovie waited too long on Grossman. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 09/26/2007 8:07 AM |
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Posted By egami on 09/26/2007 7:59 AM
I am a bit biased toward Griese for obvious reasons, but overall I have never been impressed with Gruden's QB juggling. They always talk about how he likes to "collect" QB's and I think quite frankly the guy is overly critical and too quick to pull the trigger. If there is one position that is nice to have stability at it's QB. Especially in this era of the NFL. He is kind of the polar opposite of Lovie...I think Lovie waited too long on Grossman.
Gotta agree on all points. I'm almost to the point of hoping Gruden is gone soon because I think Tampa could benefit from the change. Not quite there yet, but close.
Lovie should have benched Grossman last year. It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the Superbowl, but he still should have pulled the trigger before now.
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