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| 05/27/2008 3:55 PM |
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The most recent top ten recruiting class was the 10th ranked 2005 Callahan job. Since then...
2006, 29th
2007, 21st
and, under the new regime...
2008, 21st
One of the big questions surrounding Little Bo Pelini would be his ability to recruit for Nebraska.
So far, you have to wonder if that's going to pan out. While it's still early, we know it's going to take some real jockeying for position for Nebraska to solidify a top ranked class.
Will the return of the walk on program resurrect Nebraska from the ashes?
Bo's got a big first year to tackle as a rookie D1 HC. |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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turducken
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| 05/27/2008 4:16 PM |
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In Bo's defense, the new regime will make a priority of this strange little football thing called COACHING.
Bill was so busy polishing the turds in his playbook and sticking up for his best friend the d coordinator who was in way over his head to realize talent needs to be developed at the next level. |
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SeahawksSB42champs
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| 05/27/2008 4:41 PM |
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I think history has shown, more often than not, that ranking recruiting is about as relevant as one of DDtM's posts. During the 90's, Nebraska rarely ranked among the top teams in the country when it came to recruiting, yet had the best win-loss record of any team in the country. Conversely, Notre Dame consistently ranked at or near the top, yet had a win-loss record that, to put it kindly, was inconsistent.
As a fan, I couldn't give a rat's ass what the so-called experts think of our recruits. All I'm interested in is how many marks are in the win column vs. how many are in the loss column. Recruiting rankings aren't worth the paper they're printed on. |
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Bugeater
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| 05/27/2008 9:31 PM |
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| 05/27/2008 11:01 PM |
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Bill Callahan could maybe pull a Top 10 recruiting class, but he couldn't get a team into the Top 10. Or even beat a Top 10 team.
Time will tell on Bo's recruiting skills. But there's reason to hope that the players he gets will be coached and developed better. |
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"Perhaps the worst thing that can happen is to reach into the refrigerator and come out with something that you cannot identify at all. You literally do not know what it is. Could be meat, could be cake. Usually, at a time like that, I'll bluff. "Honey, is this good?" "Well, what is it?" "I don't know. I've never seen anything like it. It looks like...meatcake!" "Well, smell it." (snort, sniff) "It has absolutely no smell whatsoever!" "It's good! Put it back! Somebody is saving it. It'll turn up in something." Thats what frightens me. That someone will consider it a challenge and use it just because it's in there." -- George Carlin |
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egami
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| 05/28/2008 7:26 AM |
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Posted By SeahawksSB42champs on 05/27/2008 4:41 PM
I think history has shown, more often than not, that ranking recruiting is about as relevant as one of DDtM's posts. During the 90's, Nebraska rarely ranked among the top teams in the country when it came to recruiting, yet had the best win-loss record of any team in the country. Conversely, Notre Dame consistently ranked at or near the top, yet had a win-loss record that, to put it kindly, was inconsistent.
True, but I have two contentions to that...
First, I think that the ranking is flat out much more consistent that it has been historically. At the end of the day, it's as much of an art as a science, but it's much better than it was in the 90's...especially early on (even though is still sucks).
Secondly, because of that fact, I don't believe you can so easily dismiss rankings. They are important. How important is somewhat subjective, but I would argue they are more so today than in the 90's. They do reflect a teams ability to draw talent, if nothing else.
That being said, I was leaving the door open and none of the Nebraska fans brought it up, so I'll mention it, I don't think it'll be as critical of a sign his first year. It's not terribly uncommon for recruiting to fade between coaching staffs, but if it didn't pick up next season I'd wonder.
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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SeahawksSB42champs
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| 05/28/2008 8:48 AM |
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Posted By egami on 05/28/2008 7:26 AM Posted By SeahawksSB42champs on 05/27/2008 4:41 PM
I think history has shown, more often than not, that ranking recruiting is about as relevant as one of DDtM's posts. During the 90's, Nebraska rarely ranked among the top teams in the country when it came to recruiting, yet had the best win-loss record of any team in the country. Conversely, Notre Dame consistently ranked at or near the top, yet had a win-loss record that, to put it kindly, was inconsistent. True, but I have two contentions to that... First, I think that the ranking is flat out much more consistent that it has been historically. At the end of the day, it's as much of an art as a science, but it's much better than it was in the 90's...especially early on. Secondly, because of that fact, I don't believe you can so easily dismiss rankings. They are important. How important is somewhat subjective, but I would argue they are more so today than in the 90's. That being said, I was leaving the door open and none of the Nebraska fans brought it up, so I'll mention it, I don't think it'll be as critical of a sign his first year. It's not terribly uncommon for recruiting to fade between coaching staffs, but if it didn't pick up next season I'd wonder.
The only thing I have to say to that is that, if memory serves, Callahan's recruiting classes were usually ranked pretty high during his dubious tenure here, and look how THAT panned out.
Get it done between the lines, and the recruiting will take care of itself. We don't NEED the best...we NEED those that want to come here, work their asses off and win. I'll take those kids over every 5-star diva recruit on the planet. |
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egami
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| 05/28/2008 9:06 AM |
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Posted By SeahawksSB42champs on 05/28/2008 8:48 AM
The only thing I have to say to that is that, if memory serves, Callahan's recruiting classes were usually ranked pretty high during his dubious tenure here, and look how THAT panned out.
Well, recruiting is a building block. All Callahan would have demonstrated was that you could have recruits and it wouldn't compensate for bad coaching. But I'd argue he didn't do that great even at recruiting as some liked to claim.
You can have the best coach in the world and if you're not getting athletes then it won't do you any good.
Btw, for the record here is recruiting rankings under Callahan:
2004 - 38th
2005 - 10th
2006 - 29th
2007 - 21st
So, I would say that actually, overall, recruiting under Callahan was sub-par for Nebraska's standard.
Get it done between the lines, and the recruiting will take care of itself. We don't NEED the best...we NEED those that want to come here, work their asses off and win. I'll take those kids over every 5-star diva recruit on the planet.
It's mutually inclusive relationship. You need recruits and you need good coaching.
I didn't say you needed 5 star divas, but you do need solid recruits if you want to return to anything remotely reminiscent of your glory years.
The real question is what can your coach do with what is provided. And, fortunately enough, you're still on par with other schools in the conference so turning things around shouldn't be as hard as it is say at Iowa State.
Nebraska name brand will still carry some weight as well. |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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| 05/28/2008 10:38 AM |
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I would argue that the "game" has changed a great deal since the glory days of option football at Nebraska. Offenses today, whether its the spread or the west coast, requires athletes in skilled positions, thus recruiting is much more critical in today's game than in the past.
I think back in the day, Nebraska could put together a pretty solid team of "walk-ons", but the majority of those walk-ons were at unskilled positions, and required big strong farm boys who could push their opponent down the field, whether on the O-line or at full back.
I'm just not sure you could do the same today with where the college game is at right now. You need solid recruiting and solid coaching. The coaching, IMO, is the more critical, so long as your are recruiting athletes. |
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egami
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| 05/28/2008 10:50 AM |
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That's a good point too. The game isn't the same for sure. Even the success schools still running more Pro style offenses are incorporating more Spread-like looks. That was the main difference between USC and Michigan under the Carr era.
It's going to be interesting to see what style of offense Pelini relies on as his main staple with Watson and Cotton. |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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turducken
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| 05/28/2008 3:51 PM |
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| The 85 scholarship limit is an impact too. |
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Fergie
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| 05/30/2008 6:55 AM |
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This thread is very premature. Give the guy a chance to unpack his office belongings before you judge his performance. He hasn't coached in a game yet as the permanent head coach and already he isn't recruiting very well.
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egami
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| 05/30/2008 7:34 AM |
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| The excuses start rolling... |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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Bugeater
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| 05/30/2008 10:17 AM |
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Call them excuses if you want, but the reality is that the "Nebraska" name brand doesn't carry all that much weight with today's generation considering they were in grade school during NU's glory years. There isn't much else that you can sell a kid on Nebraska for so we're going to be stuck with the current powerhouses' rejects who are going to come here in hopes of getting playing time. Our only hope is that Bo is the type of coach who can do more with less. Depth will always be a problem. With all that said, there is still no excuse for last year's performance, but those who are expecting 9 and 10 win seasons year in and out while piling up Big XII championships and contending for national titles are going to be disappointed. I just don't see it happening.
We are who we are. I don't see why saying that would be considered making excuses. |
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egami
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| 05/30/2008 10:30 AM |
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Don't take anything I say to Fergie to heart to you Bugs, I address people at their level...he falsely accused me of judging his performance when really it was just an open conversation about things.
I've pretty much "judged" the situation based on the facts Fergie is crying about anyway... |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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Bugeater
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| 05/30/2008 10:42 AM |
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| Oh, I figured it was directed both of the two previous posts. |
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egami
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| 05/30/2008 10:53 AM |
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No, I just didn't entertain the 85 scholarship limit suggestion...I disagreed at first, but thought about it and really didn't disagree with it on one level.
I just took Dwight's reply as standard kool-aid defense response. |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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Omahan
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| 05/30/2008 4:07 PM |
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Posted By egami on 05/30/2008 10:53 AM
I just took Dwight's reply as standard kool-aid defense response. Posted By Fergie on 05/30/2008 6:55 AM
This thread is very premature. Give the guy a chance to unpack his office belongings before you judge his performance. He hasn't coached in a game yet as the permanent head coach and already he isn't recruiting very well.
I don't think Ferg is even a NU fan. (so much for red koolaid)
I think he just made a legitimate point that you again could not swallow for some reason or another.
Reality is, he is correct. Were you just bored and reaching? Hell, the spring game is barely in the books and you've got Bo a failure as a recruiter...how about you being a failure as a father for not earning enough money and always sitting in your underwear on the computer while they are needy and crying?
HELLO!!!!!!!
Bo recruited very well at OU & LSU and will do fine in Lincoln. I do however agree with Bugs that the appeal of
"Nebraska" and the "wow effect" that was formerly associated with it is no longer existent.
And that my friends is crying shame!
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egami
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| 05/30/2008 4:11 PM |
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Posted By Omahan on 05/30/2008 4:07 PM
...and you've got Bo a failure as a recruiter
Wrong again, as usual, you lose.
Nice try though, Fergight. |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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Omahan
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| 05/30/2008 7:15 PM |
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