egami
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| 04/29/2008 3:45 PM |
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Not so much...
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3373792
Personally, I don't think I want a playoff system of any type. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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Bugeater
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| 04/30/2008 8:27 AM |
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Wow, I don't even know where to begin with that article...
I think there are a lot of people in the room who are happy with the way things are right now.
I'm sure Notre Dame is one of them considering the sweetheart deal they have with the BCS.
You run into the problem of taking it too deeply into second semester, which the presidential level says is unacceptable
Oh brother, the sh*t is getting deep in here.
Delany said college football's rising popularity is proof the current BCS format works.
Or maybe college football is popular DESPITE the BCS? Just sayin'.
And why are you against a playoff Egami?
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Bugeater
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| 04/30/2008 8:28 AM |
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Damn, I forgot this one,
The logistical difficulties of getting a team from a potential semifinal game at Dolphin Stadium in Miami to a championship game in Glendale, Ariz., seven days later, is among the concerns.
Are you f*cking kidding me? |
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SeahawksSB42champs
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| 04/30/2008 9:05 AM |
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First off...this is a Big 10 dunderhead talking. That, in and of itself, calls the entire discussion into question.
It's not a legit national championship until a playoff is attached to it. Any arguments to the contrary are losing ones, especially if they come from the mouths of anybody representing the Big 10, Pac 10, Notre Dame or any stuffed-shirt moron running a university who is against it.
The playoff can happen using some of the current bowl games now in play, and it can be done without gutting the entire bowl system. These alleged powers that be refuse to acknowledge the truth that the BCS is B.S. and it will not be a true national championship UNTIL a playoff system is put in place. |
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egami
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| 04/30/2008 12:36 PM |
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Posted By Bugeater on 04/30/2008 8:27 AM
And why are you against a playoff Egami?
Because I've yet to see someone formulate one that will actually end controversy.
I am tired of this rhetoric that suggests a playoff system is going to solve it all, it won't.
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Russell Upsomegrub
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| 04/30/2008 5:16 PM |
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ya, a system that does not crown a champion on the field is a good one, lets keep it.
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The Big 10 |
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Northwestern 22 Iowa 17, that hurts even to type it. Bwhahaahahahahahahaa |
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IrememberDukester
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| 04/30/2008 8:11 PM |
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From the what I heard on the Big Show this afternoon the Big 12 Commish did not vote in favor of it either.
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Bugeater
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| 04/30/2008 11:06 PM |
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Posted By egami on 04/30/2008 12:36 PM Posted By Bugeater on 04/30/2008 8:27 AM
And why are you against a playoff Egami? Because I've yet to see someone formulate one that will actually end controversy. I am tired of this rhetoric that suggests a playoff system is going to solve it all, it won't.
Well, as far as this "plus 1" nonsense goes, I agree. I think a playoff system could work with a complete restructuring of the D-1 conferences, but that ain't happenin' in my lifetime.
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egami
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| 05/01/2008 7:16 AM |
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I don't know...even with that suggestion, I have an inherent problem when there are SO many D1 teams out there. I am just saying I have yet to see a proposal that I couldn't poke a hole through with something I didn't like about it. If I saw that I felt was a truly reasonable alternative, I would be for it. But by and large EVERY proposal I've read exchanges one set of problems for another.
I can tell you right now though I'll never be for a 4 team playoff system. If they do it they need to, at minimum, do 8 teams and honestly I don't think that would suffice. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Bugeater
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| 05/01/2008 8:58 AM |
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Posted By egami on 05/01/2008 7:16 AM
I don't know...even with that suggestion, I have an inherent problem when there are SO many D1 teams out there.
That's pretty much what I'm getting at by saying restructure. Get rid of a lot of the D1 teams, make all the conferences the same size, balance the schedules etc etc. Instead the NCAA is adding more D1 teams and allowing more D2 opponents. IMO we're getting farther away from ever seeing it happening every year. A playoff of any type is a pipe dream at this point.
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egami
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| 05/01/2008 9:06 AM |
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Yep, that's main issue I have...the NFL scenario works because you have 32 teams and there is relatively diverse scheduling outside divisions and conferences for teams. People accept the NFL champion as valid even in a year when like the Steelers win on a wild card playoff appearance because of relative overall parity and the nature of the way the NFL is structured.
And, frankly, I am not fond of a playoff system where non-BCS teams are awarded automatic bids. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Bugeater
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| 05/01/2008 10:01 AM |
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Yeah, and that's a problem too, you can't leave those teams out. Not to mention that Notre Dame would have to join a conference, that alone pretty much blows the idea out of the water because we all know that isn't happening either.Hell if anything they'll create more controversy if they try to implement a playoff system the way things are now. It drives me nuts because whenever this conversation comes up I hear people proposing their own ideas for a playoff field, and it's just not as easy as people seem to think.
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Bugeater
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| 05/01/2008 10:05 AM |
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| Oh, and there's also the coaches, does anyone really think they want the added pressure of a playoff? I don't, with the current bowl system they have basically a 50/50 chance of ending the season with a win and everyone feeliing good. More than likely they're going to end a season with a loss in a playoff system. |
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egami
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| 05/01/2008 10:06 AM |
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Exactly, everyone acts as if it's a no-brainer.
Although, in my world...I could leave those non-BCS teams out and be fine.  |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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SeahawksSB42champs
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| 05/01/2008 10:49 AM |
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| If a playoff system isn't going to be used, let's make this simple -- scrap the ratings, sh*tcan the BCS and just play the bowls and be done with it. Better to have no national champion than to have this sham system of stupidity known as the BCS. |
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egami
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| 05/01/2008 11:21 AM |
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Everyone keeps calling the BCS "broke" and a "sham". But at the end of the day, it hasn't been all that bad....
Seriously, what's so "broke" about it? Frankly, it's not too bad. It has the balance of computed, unbiased data analysis weighted on public opinion. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Bugeater
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| 05/01/2008 1:54 PM |
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| Well that depends on what your definition of "bad" is. Sure, it's been able to crown a few consensus #1s, but the methods used to pick teams and matchups is horrible. Two of the games this past season were unwatchable, and do you honestly think KU deserved the BCS bowl over Mizzou? |
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egami
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| 05/01/2008 2:20 PM |
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The BCS is never going to erase the subjectivity. In essence all it really does is add a non-human, non-biased element in rating. Largely, it's still media and opinion driven. I don't see what the major hang up is...so what, everyone isn't happy. BFD, not everyone is going to be happy with so much subjectivity.
Last year is a perfect example...the match-ups were "unwatchable"? That's purely opinion...last year was pretty much a bunch of two loss teams and perhaps the most parity in the top ten we've seen for some time, yet...the BCS did it's most important job, it got the right team in to determine the NC.
Is it perfect? No, but THAT'S THE POINT...it's never going to be perfect and it's not THAT bad. It's not like there has been some colossal BCS screw up. By and large, they are getting it right.
I don't give a rip about KU getting in over Mizzou last year. At the end of the day, no one will remember those games anyway except a few fans. They are relatively meaningless and frankly, personally, I didn't have a problem since Mizzou pissed it down their legs.
Who didn't deserve a BCS bowl? The easy answer is Illinois, but that's a caveat of the BCS system that we'll have to live with unless it changes.
Again, I am not saying it's perfect. Illinois last year is a perfect example, but in terms of the critical aspect, which is the national champion, I have to say it hasn't been NEARLY as bad as fans want to make it out to be. And, like I said, the playoff system by no means removes the uncertainty and questions...
If you're going to replace the BCS it has to be hands down better. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Crit40
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| 05/01/2008 4:23 PM |
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16 teams. BCS conference Champions and 10 wildcards chosen by selection committe, just like basketball. ND does not get a free pass. The final 8 play in the BCS Bowls. Semi's are held a week later and the final game is played and done by mid January.
Hell, you could expand it to 32 teams and start it a week earlier. Nobody plays in December anyway. So rather than have these teams have a month off.....let 'em play.
The way its gone lately is.......if you want to win a NC, make sure you get to play an over-hyped, over rated Big 10 school who has a "no-loss" or "one-loss" record out of a marginal conference. AND I'M A FAN OF A BIG 10 SCHOOL!
I'm with Seahawks. We might as well just go back to the "traditional" bowl scenario. The match-ups were better and its really no different, as your number 1 and number 2 are basically predicated on wins and losses, not withstanding on how tough your conference is or isn't.
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Counting the Herd one hoof at a time. |
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egami
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| 05/02/2008 7:10 AM |
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| I'd go for going backwards before I'd ever go for a playoff system. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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