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| 04/26/2008 9:16 PM |
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Chiefs
The Chiefs have redeemed themselves in my book. They realize rebuilding is necessary and they are finally, after years, seemingly on the right track. Solid picks.
Cowboys
Cowboys made some good strategic move, I like their additions to meet needs and their manipulating picks.
Steelers
I think the Steelers, once again, got great value players that fill needs. I think Mendenhall may end up being the perfect compliment to Parker and Limas Sweed fills the need for a taller, physical WR.
Dolphins
Yes, I know they took two Michigan players so that'll appear biased, but I think looking at it objectively you can't argue with Jake Long at #1 overall and the value of taking Henne late is a great addition because they can have a QB competition immediately.
Merling I think will also out-perform his drafted position. I like him as a potential Pro Bowler. Excellent work, Miami.
Green Bay
For a team that had no first round picks, I like the value and boldness of their draft picks. Admittedly I thought Nelson was a stretch, but I think he'll provide a needed slot type presence if he can develop into an NFL caliber WR.
Bottom 5...
Jets
Vernon Gholston, good pick. However, that one arguably couldn't have been screwed up. I think Dustin Keller was a complete reach, and even though they apparently don't think so...I think it's obvious they need a QB, and I think they should of pursued one earlier.
Bears
Another team oblivious to the fact that they need a QB. I think they two player that were clearly reaches for where they were drafted, and frankly I don't like either pick
Detroit
When I saw Detroit trade down I thought "wow, this team might finally get it". Then they followed it up with two weak day one picks.
Baltimore
I like the Flacco pick, but I don't like trading up that high for him. Another team I think reached on their day one picks.
Atlanta
Matt Ryan may work out for them...but I think it's a bad strategic move, personally. I think #3 overall is a reach for Ryan and once again...I think they reached on every pick. No "wow" factor here.
I may re-evaluate things later, this is kind of a quick glance evaluation. |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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turducken
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| 04/27/2008 11:17 AM |
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Does Perrault approve of Bitter Bill going with an ex-Vol to 'youth up' the defense??? |
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egami
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| 04/27/2008 1:06 PM |
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| Hehe, the Mayo pick was questioned all around, but frankly the more I think about it the more I like it. The Wheatley pick is the big question for the Pats in my mind with the fused wrist and such, but supposedly he's good. I didn't see him much in college. I really liked the O'Connell pick. |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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turducken
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| 04/27/2008 7:58 PM |
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Poor Heisman Sam and Mo.
Sam can concentrate on making the US shotput team in time for Beijing.
I'll drink to Mo signing a free agent deal. |
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Bugeater
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| 04/27/2008 11:16 PM |
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I didn't follow the draft too closely after the first round because I was out of town, but from what I can tell so far is that the Chiefs took an entirely different approach to the draft this year than what they've done in the past. At least I can hang on to the hope that sometime in the future when they get a competent coaching staff they'll have something to work with.
The only other thing that I found noteworthy was what J-ville gave up to move to that 8th spot. 4 picks? WTF? |
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egami
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| 04/28/2008 7:09 AM |
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| I don't get that either, Bugs. A couple of the NFL Network guys were talking like it was a brilliant move comparing it to the Allen trade because essentially that's what Minnesota gave up for Allen and asking what the real difference is and I am thinking "um, yeah, let's see...Allen is a proven commodity". |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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egami
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| 04/28/2008 8:25 AM |
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My Top 5 didn't change too dramatically, overall. My bottom 5 changed quite a bit.
Although, I did bump Dallas to #1 and added Washington.
Dallas
Kansas City
Washington
Pittsburgh
NY Giants
NY Jets
Seattle
Cincinnati
Chicago
Detroit
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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Crit40
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| 04/28/2008 9:03 AM |
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I guess I don't think Chicago drafted as bad as you think they did Midge. Given the QB crop wasn't THAT fantastic, the question is why go after someone that probably has the same caliber of talent as what you already have on your roster? For the most part, they got some solid need guys that I think will have a positive impact overall. Certainly not the bottom half of the draft.....in fact, IMO they might be on the other end of your spectrum.
I really like the Williams (OT), Bennett (WR) and Steltz (S) picks and I think Forte will ultimately take over the RB position from Benson. I'm a little iffy on (DT) Harrison. I think he's got decent talent, so long as he can stay out of jail. I thought Chicago did very well with their late round picks getting some good value that late ie. Barton, Adams ---O line should look better in the Windy City this year.
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Counting the Herd one hoof at a time. |
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egami
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| 04/28/2008 10:02 AM |
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Posted By Crit40 on 04/28/2008 9:03 AM
I guess I don't think Chicago drafted as bad as you think they did Midge. Given the QB crop wasn't THAT fantastic, the question is why go after someone that probably has the same caliber of talent as what you already have on your roster?
Because there is a need. There is no question that Chicago has a need at QB, so what are you going to do? Wait another year? How many years do they need to figure out Rex sucks?
That's why, imo.
For the most part, they got some solid need guys that I think will have a positive impact overall. Certainly not the bottom half of the draft.....in fact, IMO they might be on the other end of your spectrum.
I don't quite see that...Chris Williams was a good pick, but there was so much depth they couldn't screw up their #1 pick hardly. Although, I wouldn't of taken him there, but that's their opinion on him.
Outside of that, I think Forte was another reach. He's a guy coming off a serious knew injury, probably could of been available into 3rd or 4th round.
Overall, my biggest problem with the Bears draft is two fold:
1. Not addressing QB at ALL.
2. Reaching on guys with potential that most likely would have fallen.
Your #1 QB has missed about half of 5 year stint with injury and is performing terribly...how do you NOT address that problem? |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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Crit40
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| 04/28/2008 10:42 AM |
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Forte might have been a reach for their 2nd pick......but I think he will certainly contribute from day 1. It seems in your analysis, you're more critical of "when" teams got their guys, vs. "who" they got. You criticize Baltimore for going back into the first round to get Flacco, and they definitely have a QB need and got their guy. Who cares if they got him in the 1st or 2nd round with their 2nd pick?
After Ryan and Flacco, the QB talent, IMO dropped off big time. So again, I ask the question, why draft someone with equal talent, who won't know the system, and is a crap shoot to what you already have? It seems to me that Chicago took the opportunity to build a supporting cast (linemen, running back, wide receivers, TE) in an effort to take some of the pressure away from the QB position, considering their wasn't much to choose from this year.
Again, you have them ranked 2nd from the bottom for the worst draft this year, and I just don't see it. In fact I would put them in the top 5 or 10 of best drafts. |
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Counting the Herd one hoof at a time. |
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vranged
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| 04/28/2008 10:48 AM |
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| I agree with Crit on this. Yes, the Bears had a need for a QB, but if they didn't like anybody that was available, a smart team doesn't take a QB for the sake of taking a QB. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 04/28/2008 10:53 AM |
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I am focused on a few things. Primarily, however, who was on the board when they drafted their respective players. In other words, teams I ranked high I think got best overall value on round by round basis and vice versa. Next, whether or not I feel they filled needs.
I also gave Dallas props for trade manipulation.
Yes, I criticize Baltimore for reaching for Flacco in the first. Why? Because there were comparable QB's available and I think that's a reach for him. You think Flacco is a first-rounder, that's your prerogative....make your own top five. 
But, as far as Chicago, you're obviously biased, and that's fine, but I think it's a major error for them not to draft a QB ANYWHERE in the draft. They didn't sign these guys to two one-year deals because they see them as being viable long term solutions. Now they've committed to pissing away a whole year without developing someone who can maybe compete. |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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egami
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| 04/28/2008 10:55 AM |
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Posted By vranged on 04/28/2008 10:48 AM
I agree with Crit on this. Yes, the Bears had a need for a QB, but if they didn't like anybody that was available, a smart team doesn't take a QB for the sake of taking a QB.
They wouldn't be taking one for the sake of taking one...they are taking one because they NEED one. |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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vranged
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| 04/28/2008 10:57 AM |
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| I need a new dishwasher, but I'm not going to buy some piece of crap one at a garage sale. I'll wait until a better opportunity comes along. Until then, I go with what I have. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 04/28/2008 10:58 AM |
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| I don't really care about your dishwasher.... |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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vranged
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| 04/28/2008 11:03 AM |
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| Right. And apparently the Bears didn't care enough about the QBs available to waste a pick on one. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 04/28/2008 11:07 AM |
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Exactly my point.
I don't care how the Bears feel, they are wrong. And when their offense sucks again this year I'll be glad to remind Bears fans of it. |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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vranged
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| 04/28/2008 11:09 AM |
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So, if the Bears management and coaching staff decide that there are no QBs available who can help them, they should still draft one?
Hmmm.... |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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Crit40
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| 04/28/2008 11:17 AM |
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I am not suggesting that Chicago doesn't have a QB need. The fact of the matter is that last year, they had a blocking issue. 43 sacks allowed. I don't care for Grossman, but a QB does need protection, no matter who it is. Do I think they need to shore up the QB position? You're damn straight I do. But your approach to draft a QB "just because" makes no sense to me.
They have a roster spot open for a QB, and my guess is they will fill it via F.A.
And I am not biased. I have been exceptionally critical of Chicago over the last couple of years. I just don't see this as a terrible draft.
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Counting the Herd one hoof at a time. |
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egami
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Posted By vranged on 04/28/2008 11:09 AM
So, if the Bears management and coaching staff decide that there are no QBs available who can help them, they should still draft one?
Hmmm....
That's purely speculative...if you want to pretend that's their position, fine. |
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Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:28 PM
I am actually desperate today.
Posted By Omahan on 06/16/2008 12:47 PM
They say...people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate.
Posted By Omahan on 07/18/2008 1:47 PM
And you have on cue demonstrated what I have hallucinated from day one in regards to you.
Posted by Omahan on 07/23/2008 10:25 AM
I actually created Fergie in part to attack you Crit without you knowing it was me. Some of your takes were so lame that I almost came at you as myself a few time... |
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