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dada402
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| 08/17/2007 8:38 AM |
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| No offense to any christians in here but what the hell was that yesterday?? There was nothing accomplished in that interview. Football fix at five??? More like Jesus fix. I know a lot of people wanted him to be head coach when Tom Osborne left. But I'm glad he didn't. I don't see how anybody would want to play for a nutcase like that. I would not want my kid playing for a coach like that. |
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Tim in Omaha
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| 08/17/2007 10:33 AM |
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| Stanford passed on him for Head football coach. Quote “Religious beliefs present hurdles for a coach’s career,” |
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Cornhuskers the winningest college football program of the last 50 years, both by winning percentage and number of wins.
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Blackshirt
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| 08/17/2007 3:32 PM |
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You'll get that type of interview with Ron Brown no matter who is asking the questions.
Nothing wrong with religion, but Brown strikes me as one of those guys who will inject it into any conversation.
"Ron how about this weather we're having?"
"You know, Jesus said.."
I'm with the comic who had a bit in his act about athletes giving the "glory to God", but not giving the blame. Had a line to the effect of, "Well, we WERE having a great game, until Jesus made me fumble." |
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"Perhaps the worst thing that can happen is to reach into the refrigerator and come out with something that you cannot identify at all. You literally do not know what it is. Could be meat, could be cake. Usually, at a time like that, I'll bluff. "Honey, is this good?" "Well, what is it?" "I don't know. I've never seen anything like it. It looks like...meatcake!" "Well, smell it." (snort, sniff) "It has absolutely no smell whatsoever!" "It's good! Put it back! Somebody is saving it. It'll turn up in something." Thats what frightens me. That someone will consider it a challenge and use it just because it's in there." -- George Carlin |
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Logan
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| 08/17/2007 5:27 PM |
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why do you see so many crosses along side the road? because christians are bad drivers.
i don't remember where i heard that one. |
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dwight, refuting reality one post at a time. |
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Screamincheetahwillie
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| 08/18/2007 11:53 AM |
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Remember the movie Carrie??? I wonder if he has any kids if they worry about what they will be coming home to. Or if he was a head coach somewhere, what his players would have to worry about, him going psycho-savior on them if they mess up.
2007's Championship Predictions: All of my favorite teams: Huskers, Rams, Suns, Avalanche, and Red Sox. Hey, Can't a guy dream??? |
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DMan
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| 08/18/2007 11:58 AM |
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| Ron Brown is a good man. Christian from the heart. That is how devoutly religious people relate. It doesn't bother me. |
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vranged
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| 08/19/2007 3:48 PM |
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Extreme Christians (or any religion) do kind of bother me -- and I come from a family of them.
Whenever something good happens, it's from God's good graces. Whenever something bad happens, God is challenging them. If something good happens to a very bad person -- what then? DO you think God plays favorites in things like football, reality TV shows, gambling, etc.? Come on!
I just tire of the inconsistencies. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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DMan
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| 08/20/2007 6:53 AM |
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Vranged,
I hate to call you to the carpet again, but, you my cyber friend - of all people - need some organized religion in your life. I remember your analogy of religion on the old board where you stated something to the effect of "I don't need someone to run down a mountain with stone tablets to be a good person." Wow! That's all I can say. Take my brothers approach. He doesn't neccesarily believe in true faith in God. He wagers that 50/50 there either is an after life or there isn't and if he prays and attends church while on earth he has a chance of going there. Give your foul self that same chance. |
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dada402
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| 08/20/2007 8:30 AM |
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| Vranged, I'm with you. Organized religion is mand-made and divides more than it unites this world. |
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vranged
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| 08/20/2007 9:44 AM |
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So, Dman, your brother goes to church to "hedge his bets", so to speak? How spiritual of him. At least I'm being intellectually honest with myself.
I had all the religion I could handle growing up. It's all a bunch of crap. I'm agnostic now.
If you'd like to engage in a serious discussion on this, I'd be more than happy to participate -- I'm sure the rest of the board would love it. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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DMan
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| 08/20/2007 10:12 AM |
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Posted By vranged on 08/20/2007 9:44 AM
So, Dman, your brother goes to church to "hedge his bets", so to speak? How spiritual of him. At least I'm being intellectually honest with myself.
I had all the religion I could handle growing up. It's all a bunch of crap. I'm agnostic now.
If you'd like to engage in a serious discussion on this, I'd be more than happy to participate -- I'm sure the rest of the board would love it.
Intellectually honest? Is there such a thing? Earnestly honest is more believable than the latter. So exactly what do you believe? Where did you and yours come from? Aliens? Where did the land and water come from? Bewitched? When you die will you take your money with you? Billy Graham states "You'll never see a hearst pulling a U-Haul." Translation: Never let the soceital influence of modern day technology take you places you cannot afford to go. (Not meaning monetarily) I guarantee you if you get cancer in the next few years you will once again reach out for God's help. Say what you will - you cannot deny the facts of life that occur everyday and everywhere.
My uncle was a high class trial attorney in New Jersey for years and abandoned his faith to ride the almighty dollar and his sexy young wife to the horizon. A brain tumor put a halt to that activity and next thing you know he was consulting the very same people that had been in his corner all along to summon their support and to help assist him back into faith. Be careful what you say....
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egami
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| 08/20/2007 10:22 AM |
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There is nothing more intellectually honest than dismissing all organized religions as a whole. That's the same logic Hitler used with the Jews. They all have to be bad, so they all must be burned.
It's one thing to be respectfully indifferent to a position on God and quite another to generalize and lump all deity-based beliefs together and dismiss them as one. That's not agnosticism that's atheism. Agnosticism truly allows for the existence of God. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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vranged
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| 08/20/2007 10:47 AM |
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Where did we come from? Frankly, I don't know. The Universe is an old, old place. It's impossible to determine. However, from a scientific standpoint, it's just as likely we came from aliens, unicorns or leprechauns then some invisible guy in the sky that offers no evidence he/she exists. Can't prove any of it.
And I never said all organized religion is intellectually dishonest. I said Dman's brother was for becoming spiritual "just in case". That's not true spirituality. Did you really just compare me to Hitler? Wow -- nice reach. When I said "it's all a bunch of crap", that's just from my perspective. If you need the existence of an invisible guy in the sky to motivate you to be a good person, in my opinion, that makes you weak. But since you have blind faith, my opinion shouldn't matter to you.
If I'm wrong, here's what I'll say at the pearly gates: "God, you made me a relatively smart guy. I used that intelligence to its extreme, and could find no sound reason which proved you existed. First, a bunch of your followers are certifiably insane. Even you have to agree with me there, Lord. Frankly, I didn't want to be lumped with them. Second, you offered no concrete proof you existed. That Baked Lays potato chip that looked like Jesus didn't cut it for me. If you look at my time on earth, other than some spirited debates on a message board, I led a good life. I gave to charity to help people -- not to gain personal favor with you (i.e. for selfish reasons). If that makes me worthy of hell, your system is flawed."
I think he'd agree, and we'd shoot some pool together.
I can acknowledge the possibility that I'm wrong. Can you? Or does the fear of your all-loving God preclude you from doing so?
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 08/20/2007 11:03 AM |
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I didn't say you said organized religion was intellectually dishonest. Dismissing the possibility that any organized religions are right simply by nature of their existence is intellectually dishonest.
And you really don't know enough about my unstated beliefs to be making any kind of assumptions like that. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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vranged
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| 08/20/2007 11:06 AM |
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What the hell (pun intended) are you talking about?
I didn't dismiss the possibility that organized religions are right. I acknowledged I could be wrong. I said I simply don't buy what they're selling.
And why do you think I'm talking specifically to you? I'm stating things in a very general sense. Get over yourself. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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Logan
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| 08/20/2007 12:30 PM |
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| i have no problem with god or jesus or alah. my problem lies with the religions and churches (or more precisely the people in those churches and religions) that "worship" them. be who and what you want to be, just don't tell me what i need to be. |
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dwight, refuting reality one post at a time. |
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egami
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| 08/20/2007 12:42 PM |
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I love your little games you play when you back yourself into a corner.
You're right, when directly respond to my reply in detail I should assume that you are replying to other people in a general sense. 
Not to mention the fact that you're trying to play two hands. When you said "it's all a bunch of crap" you made a blatently close-minded statement. I don't care how you try to spin it. That is being intellectually dishonest. If you are truly as open-minded, and non-bigoted, toward people with religious views then you'd simply retract the statement and acknowledge that it was unwarranted in the context you used.
Coming back after the fact and trying to spin it back into context doesn't work. The quote doesn't fit the context you're trying to ascribe to it after the fact. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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egami
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| 08/20/2007 12:46 PM |
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Posted By Logan on 08/20/2007 12:30 PM
i have no problem with god or jesus or alah. my problem lies with the religions and churches (or more precisely the people in those churches and religions) that "worship" them. be who and what you want to be, just don't tell me what i need to be.
If your faith is in people, regardless of relgious or non-religious organizations, you're bound for disappointment.
Ironically, the parallel can be made in the political arena. It's the same issue even in a secular institution.
I am using "you" in the generic sense. I can relate to your frustration even though we probably approach it differently.
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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vranged
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| 08/20/2007 1:01 PM |
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How exactly have I painted myself in a corner? I've stated my beliefs (or lack thereof), and acknowledged they could be wrong. Can you do the same?
I said from the get-go if Dman wanted to get into a religious debate, I'd love to share my thoughts. Why you thought every response is directed specifically at you, when I stated it was about religion in general, is your issue -- not mine. So, nice spin.
I said organized religion is all a bunch of crap because I believe that, generally. Any belief system based on invisible guys, magic, unnatural occurrences (rising from dead, parting seas, boats big enough to fit two of every animal, etc.) is crap, generally. If it causes some people to act better, then it serves a purpose -- but that doesn't mean it's not crap. Again, just my opinions.
Did you recently sustain a head injury, egami? Because you've lost something in the last couple weeks when it comes to defending you position. You're all over the place -- giving definitions to words that aren't true (i.e. bust, analogy, agnosticism), turning conversations about general topics into egami-specific discussions, etc. I'm worried about you.
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 08/20/2007 1:15 PM |
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This isn't about me, vranged. I am not the out here posting hasting generalizations about groups of people and their respective beliefs.
You stated: It's all a bunch of crap.
Which doesn't insinuate anything that you are backpedaling into now. Not even the so-called acceptable aspect of religions making people act better (or however you put it).
You didn't say "my belief is.." you stated it as a matter of fact. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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