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| 08/22/2007 11:40 AM |
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Posted By Logan on 08/22/2007 11:35 AM
at the end of the year sker nation will be dissapointed.
Probably. By and large if they don't beat one of their top ranked opponents I can see a lot of people calling for Callahan's job.
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 08/23/2007 6:59 AM |
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Posted By egami on 08/21/2007 11:46 AM Posted By Logan on 08/20/2007 4:49 PM Posted By egami on 08/20/2007 3:10 PM
Arizona, Duke, Cincinnatti, Army...no, nothing overly wonderful that year, but any of those are arguably better. Arizona for sure would be. Army offered Frank a job shortly after he was canned, but he turned it down. Thats one more opportunity than BillyBob got after the Raiders through his butt in the gutter LOL....Callacan't and Pedernut needed each other, one was jobless and the other couldn't find anyone who wanted to work for him. Yep, for those with a memory, they weren't knocking the doors down to come to Lincoln. Only fish that bit was Nutt, and he got a big ole raise to stay at Arkansa. As for recruiting, Frank never had the support team until he cleaned house in 2002. Even Milt "ow my knees hurt" Tenipor admitted he could go out and recruit like he once could. Frank was an assistant for 24 years, including 2 championship season, think Dr Tom did it all by himself? No he had a good staff, which Frank never got the chance to prove once he got rid of Tom's old leftovers  |
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egami
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| 08/23/2007 7:38 AM |
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I see you plainly miss the point. The jobs I listed were, at best, mid-tier jobs. High profile coaches don't trip over themselves to get those jobs. Ok, so what, he turned down Army...he didn't turn down Florida, LSU or Notre Dame did he?
Solich was a good coach, not a great coach...and for those of you who are so blindly in love with him, if he is truly so damn good then why has he only had one winning team at Ohio? Exactly...
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 08/23/2007 8:06 AM |
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| Um, he's only been there a few years, and it was the first winning team in like 20 years or something, wasn't it. So, it's not like Ohio is a football school like Nebraska and the top kids go there just to play football. It had to have taken coaching. Don't ya think? |
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| 08/23/2007 8:35 AM |
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Posted By Crit40 on 08/23/2007 8:06 AM
Um, he's only been there a few years, and it was the first winning team in like 20 years or something, wasn't it. So, it's not like Ohio is a football school like Nebraska and the top kids go there just to play football. It had to have taken coaching. Don't ya think?
Conversely, they are not playing the teams with the top kids.
If by "it had to take coaching" you mean "don't you think Solich deserves some credit" then I'd agree. If you've followed the conversation as a whole you'd know my beef with Solich isn't regarding X's and O's.
Lastly, it's kind of a fight fire with fire reply. If you take the pro-Solich crews remarks and analyze them this type of logic is the same thing they are trying to assert with Callahan.
So, by their logic, Solich should be gone from Ohio if they believe Callahan should be gone from Nebraska. Especially considering the Callahan's had better results. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 08/23/2007 9:00 AM |
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I must disagree. Solich brings the first winning season in a couple of decades, as well as, I think like their first ever bowl game or something. Callahan was at the helm for the first husker team to not make a bowl appearance in like 50 years.
One is bringing glory to a program that sucked and the other is accused of bringing shame to one of the top programs in the history of college football.
You are not comparing apples to apples on this one for sure. In fact, I think you even shoot yourself in the foot with your Peyton Manning/Rex Grossman rant. |
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egami
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| 08/23/2007 9:15 AM |
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Crit, it's obvious you have failed to acknowledge facts already expounded upon in this thread...
First of all, coaching a major D1 college like Nebraska compared to mid-major is apples and oranges in many respects. Callahan's bar is much higher. Coaching a major D1 university in and of itself ranks above coaching a mid-major.
Like I said before...if Solich is that damn good why didn't Notre Dame, Florida or LSU offer him a job? Because they didn't want him.
Secondly, coaching ONE winning season at a mid-major doesn't constitute some kind of miraculous turn around in "bringing glory" to a school, period.
Callahan was at the helm of a team that he inherited directly from Solich. A team that was severely lacking in recruits. And I've already posted the historical data to back that up.
Not sure exactly which aspect you are disagreeing with anyway...you haven't addressed a point directly. You just do your typical drive by disagreement.
I am not going to argue about who has done better, that is just my perception. My main point is that Callahan is doing a better job recruiting that Solich and deserves another 3 years to prove how effective he can be as a coach. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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egami
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| 08/23/2007 9:17 AM |
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If you think I shoot myself in the foot in the other thread take it there.
I'd gladly take on anyone that thinks Wrex Grossform is the next coming of Peyton Manning. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Logan
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| 08/23/2007 3:10 PM |
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| didn't ohio beat pitt worse than nebraska in the same season? and if it weren't for a botched fg attempt pitt wins. |
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Crit40
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| 08/23/2007 3:28 PM |
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My first response was addressing the "why" of only one winning season at Ohio. My reply was that 1 winning season following 20 losing seasons is a pretty damn good accomplishment whether its at NU or Ohio. It is hard to break the losing cycle, irregardless of where the hell you are coaching. 
The follow-up comment was in reference to your comment that:
"If you take the pro-Solich crews remarks and analyze them this type of logic is the same thing they are trying to assert with Callahan. So, by their logic, Solich should be gone from Ohio if they believe Callahan should be gone from Nebraska. Especially considering the Callahan's had better results."
What I am saying is that your assessment of the two situations cannot be used to compare why one should be fired along with the other. Had both coaches, taken over dog programs with losing traditions, then the logic of both being fired would hold true. But since one overcame a couple decades of losing, and the other overcame a couple decades of winning, irregardless of size, etc. there is no comparison between the 2 situations, and therefore Solich's 1 winning season cannot be compared to Callahan's mediocre seasons.
As for the "shoot yourself in the foot comment", it pertained your babbling comments that since Manning inherited a "sucky team" (ala Frankie Solich) and that of Grossman playing for a team that has some talent but just not able to take it further, (ala Billie Callahan) the two cannot be compared. I agree. ala Frankie and Billie.....cannot be compared. I agree. |
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| 08/23/2007 7:34 PM |
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Posted By egami on 08/23/2007 9:15 AM
Crit, it's obvious you have failed to acknowledge facts already expounded upon in this thread...
First of all, coaching a major D1 college like Nebraska compared to mid-major is apples and oranges in many respects. Callahan's bar is much higher. Coaching a major D1 university in and of itself ranks above coaching a mid-major.
Like I said before...if Solich is that damn good why didn't Notre Dame, Florida or LSU offer him a job? Because they didn't want him.
Secondly, coaching ONE winning season at a mid-major doesn't constitute some kind of miraculous turn around in "bringing glory" to a school, period.
Callahan was at the helm of a team that he inherited directly from Solich. A team that was severely lacking in recruits. And I've already posted the historical data to back that up.
Not sure exactly which aspect you are disagreeing with anyway...you haven't addressed a point directly. You just do your typical drive by disagreement.
I am not going to argue about who has done better, that is just my perception. My main point is that Callahan is doing a better job recruiting that Solich and deserves another 3 years to prove how effective he can be as a coach.
Another 3 years? And what pray tell is your benchmark in proving you can be an effective coach?
National Championship?
Dominance over Big 12 South opponents?
Winning the Big 12 championship once, twice or consistently winning the Big 12 Championship?
This will be his 4th season, 3 more as you suggest means 7 years.
Is it your opinion that newly hired coaches be given 7 years? Frank wasn't given near that much time.
Notre Dame didn't give Tyrone that much time either.
I eagerly await your response.
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| 08/24/2007 6:56 AM |
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| This will be season 3 for Frank, season 1 he was 4-7, which had been the norm for Ohio, season 2 9-4, played for the MAC championship, went to a bowl game for the 1st time since 1968, got MAC coach of the year.....I'd say there is some coaching ability there. Everyone banters about Frank inheriting Tom's recruits, but he also inherited Tom's tired old staff. He should have been given a couple more years to see how the new coaches played out. But its over and done with now, he's moved on. So tell me, how many many 4-5 star recruits did we have on TO's championship teams? |
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egami
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| 08/24/2007 7:15 AM |
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Posted By Crit40 on 08/23/2007 3:28 PM My first response was addressing the "why" of only one winning season at Ohio. My reply was that 1 winning season following 20 losing seasons is a pretty damn good accomplishment whether its at NU or Ohio. It is hard to break the losing cycle, irregardless of where the hell you are coaching.
Not really. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut occassionally.
Posted By Crit40 on 08/23/2007 3:28 PM
The follow-up comment was in reference to your comment that:
"If you take the pro-Solich crews remarks and analyze them this type of logic is the same thing they are trying to assert with Callahan. So, by their logic, Solich should be gone from Ohio if they believe Callahan should be gone from Nebraska. Especially considering the Callahan's had better results."
What I am saying is that your assessment of the two situations cannot be used to compare why one should be fired along with the other. Had both coaches, taken over dog programs with losing traditions, then the logic of both being fired would hold true. But since one overcame a couple decades of losing, and the other overcame a couple decades of winning, irregardless of size, etc. there is no comparison between the 2 situations, and therefore Solich's 1 winning season cannot be compared to Callahan's mediocre seasons.
As vranged likes to say...anything can be compared. But if you want to take the approach, then the simple fact Solich didn't get asked to coach a top tier D1 team is all I really need to prove my point that he didn't deserve the Nebraska job.
Posted By Crit40 on 08/23/2007 3:28 PM
As for the "shoot yourself in the foot comment", it pertained your babbling comments that since Manning inherited a "sucky team" (ala Frankie Solich) and that of Grossman playing for a team that has some talent but just not able to take it further, (ala Billie Callahan) the two cannot be compared. I agree. ala Frankie and Billie.....cannot be compared. I agree.
Um, whatever...still don't see you incoherent point. If you have a beef on Manning v. Grossform take it to that thread. The two topics have no bearing on one another. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 08/24/2007 9:56 AM |
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| ha...frank solich was an unmitigated disaster. The jury may still be out on Callahan but Frank most definitely had to go. |
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| 08/24/2007 10:38 AM |
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Posted By RIPbigshow on 08/24/2007 9:56 AM
ha...frank solich was an unmitigated disaster. The jury may still be out on Callahan but Frank most definitely had to go.
AMEN!!!!!
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egami
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| 08/24/2007 11:14 AM |
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| I agree...Solich had to go. Although, I am not sure Callahan is the savior of the program. At least he's building the program versus depleting it. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Logan
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| 08/27/2007 1:35 PM |
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Posted By egami on 08/24/2007 11:14 AM
I agree...Solich had to go. Although, I am not sure Callahan is the savior of the program. At least he's building the program versus depleting it.
let's see if your opinion remains the same at the end of this season. |
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egami
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| 08/27/2007 1:43 PM |
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My opinion will remain the same. I have enough information already to feel good about my position that Solich needed to go.
I've already openly stated that Callahan has yet to prove he is the long term guy for the job and that his coaching ability is still questionable. He's proven he can recruit at a high level though, and that is the foundation of any championship caliber program. He needs to get Nebraska to being top 10 ranked somewhat consistantly before they should invest too much into keeping him. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Logan
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| 08/27/2007 1:45 PM |
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| my point is i don't think callahan can get them to be a top 10 team. |
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egami
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| 08/27/2007 1:56 PM |
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Posted By Logan on 08/27/2007 1:45 PM
my point is i don't think callahan can get them to be a top 10 team.
I have never challenged that point. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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