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| 03/12/2008 1:21 PM |
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No problem.
And, he suddenly disappeared. Facts = Holy Water to the vampire known as Dwight.
I am sure he'll be resurrected with more emotional rhetoric on the topic. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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SeahawksSB42champs
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| 03/12/2008 1:34 PM |
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One thing not being talked about is the fact that the NCAA - in spite of denials made by them and the stadium committee - has told Omaha that if a new stadium is not built, the CWS will move.
It's a no-win situation for Fahey -- build the stadium, incur the wrath of the people he represents for spending public funds on a new stadium. Not build the stadium, incur the wrath of the people he represents for being the mayor that let the CWS get away.
In the end, the stadium will get built, keeping the CWS in Omaha. Fahey will lose his job. Rosenblatt will be turned into more space for the zoo. And the rich will get richer. |
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egami
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| 03/12/2008 2:00 PM |
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Posted By SeahawksSB42champs on 03/12/2008 1:34 PM
One thing not being talked about is the fact that the NCAA - in spite of denials made by them and the stadium committee - has told Omaha that if a new stadium is not built, the CWS will move.
Has that been confirmed? I'd seen that claim, but I didn't see where it was cited.
It's a no-win situation for Fahey -- build the stadium, incur the wrath of the people he represents for spending public funds on a new stadium. Not build the stadium, incur the wrath of the people he represents for being the mayor that let the CWS get away.
Yeah...you may be right I think on that.
In the end, the stadium will get built, keeping the CWS in Omaha. Fahey will lose his job. Rosenblatt will be turned into more space for the zoo. And the rich will get richer.
I thought I had heard that the Royals would stay at Rosenblatt. Afterall, it'll be paid off if this proposal goes through.
Then again, if you force it down you force the Royals into tenancy at the new stadium...or out of Omaha.
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 03/12/2008 2:29 PM |
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egami -- you will not see it anywhere, because neither the NCAA nor the stadium committee will publicly admit to it, but the NCAA has made demands in the past regarding expansion of Rosenblatt and had those demands met by the city.
Fahey and Co. MIGHT be able to get the NCAA to agree to a short-term extension at Rosenblatt, but feel free to assume that the NCAA has issued a build-or-else edict to Omaha. Nobody will admit to it publicly, but the order has come down. |
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egami
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| 03/12/2008 2:33 PM |
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Gotcha.
Yeah, I believe that is the case, but I figured they were smart enough to keep it to a wink and a nod. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 03/12/2008 2:44 PM |
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The CWS brings in $35MM in revenue annually? Holy Sh!t! That is fricken amazing, especially considering the vast majority of CWS goers live, work and shop in Omaha anyway. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure those people have a few more restaurant burgers, a few Zestos beers and buy a couple of t-shirts, during that 2 weeks, so I suppose they are contributing to that $35MM.
I would be very very surprised to see that. But regardless, the big question is whether that $1.8MM in tax revenue actually positively impacts the city. How much is the debt service on the bonds annually?  Answer that question my friends, and you just might have your answer to whether or not it pays to have the CWS in Omaha.
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egami
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| 03/12/2008 2:48 PM |
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"BSG has Made Significant Assumptions Related to the Proposed Ballpark’s Operating Revenues and Expenses" - Executive Summary
No kidding... |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 03/12/2008 2:56 PM |
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Posted By Crit40 on 03/12/2008 2:44 PM
Answer that question my friends, and you just might have your answer to whether or not it pays to have the CWS in Omaha.
Where did the mayor, the outside group that gathered the data for the project or for that fact anyone, say that the city wouldn't have to pick up some of the tab for the building of this stadium?
That's the question?
Stadiums accross the nation spend millions building stadiums and they fund it as the situation presents. Omaha is not Atlanta or LA or New York or Chicago. The resources or not as vast and the support once the structure is erected won't be as vast either.
Nobody said it was.
For all of you that talk in numbers like you're on top of things. I suggest to tend to business and get life. Because if you had all the answers you wouldn't be here chit chatting.
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egami
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| 03/12/2008 3:06 PM |
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I don't think D understood your question, Crit.
D, I'll take your unwillingness to answer my logic and numbers that you demanded from me as a sign you are conceding victory to me. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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| 03/12/2008 3:49 PM |
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Your logic is about numbers and making sure the dollars don't equate to raised taxes.
Not logical nor rational thinking when considering an undertaking like this stadium.
Hell yes the taxpayer will burden some of this. And why wouldn't they? |
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egami
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| 03/12/2008 3:53 PM |
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Posted By Omahan on 03/12/2008 3:49 PM
Your logic is about numbers and making sure the dollars don't equate to raised taxes.
Not logical nor rational thinking when considering an undertaking like this stadium.
Hell yes the taxpayer will burden some of this. And why wouldn't they?
Because the Mayor stated otherwise. And if it's going to create a property tax burden that affects residents then they need to be up front and honest about it.
Taxation without representation?
You might as well moved on east across the ocean with the rest of the socialists. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 03/12/2008 3:55 PM |
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He stated he would gaurantee it wouldn't overflow in any one particular area. He never said it would not eqaute to raising taxes.
Only a chimp would buy that. Are you a chimp? |
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egami
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| 03/12/2008 4:02 PM |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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egami
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| 03/12/2008 4:07 PM |
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And I never said "taxes" in general...obvious local taxes are being upped, that's been outlined. I shouldn't have to spell that out for you.
And you are ignoring other questions...like where is the Keno money going now and where is that replacement coming from?
You keep regurgitating the same cheerleader, emotional garbage and dodging reasonable questions that the public has a right to know. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Crit40
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| 03/12/2008 5:01 PM |
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I don't actually have a dog in this fight, but then I'm not Michael Vick either. The big question Omaha needs to ask is what is at stake if the CWS took a hike. Is it the $1.8MM in sales tax revenue each year, which may or may not cover the debt payments each year. Is it the platform of having Omaha on a national pedistal during those two weeks? Who actually benefits? We know hotels, restaurants, budweiser distributing and a few others benefit immensely. Who else?
I don't have the answers. I'm just asking the questions. |
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| 03/12/2008 5:39 PM |
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Posted By Omahan on 03/12/2008 12:04 PM Posted By Bugeater on 03/12/2008 11:54 AM
Those who oppose it can only find solace in the fact that when taxes are inevitably raised we get to say we told you so. We'll always differ on this one Bugeater. I say what is wrong with the city paying for a stadium that not only returns revenue into the city but also creates revenue via attraction? Why is it so devastating for taxpayer money to be spent bettering the community that generates it? Raising of taxes is commonplace. If your neck hairs stand up for taxes going upward then I'd bet they stand up for road rage, solicitation and property costs too. Translation: Welcome to everyday life. I'm not saying you have to accept it either. Just that what you are screaming has been occuring since the beggining of time. Taxes will always rise before they fall.
Fair point, and I admit I'm falling a bit on the irrational side seeing that, as I mentioned previously, Douglas County just jacked up the valuation on my house to the tune of $28,000 last year.
The thing that burns me up, is that the Mayor and the "pro" crowd is acting like this isn't going to cost the taxpayers anything, and it's simply NOT TRUE. You just admitted it yourself. So be straight up, tell us what it's REALLY going to cost us, and let us decide whether it's worth it.
And I'm STILL waiting to hear an explanation as to how a two week event is going to "revitalize" downtown. |
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Posted By Crit40 on 03/12/2008 5:01 PM
The big question Omaha needs to ask is what is at stake if the CWS took a hike.
That's the million dollar question that no one seems to want to answer. I asked that question several times over at eomaha forums, and they acted like I insulted their kids, mother, God and everyone else. IMO, we would lose a couple weeks of ESPN time for an event that has minimal viewership at best.
Who actually benefits? We know hotels, restaurants, budweiser distributing and a few others benefit immensely. Who else?
That's the other million dollar question no one seems to want to answer. Some people claim that if the CWS left we would carry additional tax burden to replace the tax revenue lost by their departure, but I have serious doubts to whether that is true or not, it seems more like a scare tactic from the "pro" side. Hell the Keno revenue alone that they're going to spend on the stadium could make up for it. |
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| 03/13/2008 3:00 PM |
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Honestly, asking how not having the CWS in Omaha would affect the city is like asking how life would be without television. It's been in our city for nearly the last 60 years, and either it's been working well, or we've been paying for the deficit like sheep for that long.
I personally would like to believe that the powers that be want to keep it here because in the long term it makes it easier for them to balance budgets and taxes. The mayors and city councils have been approving renovations to keep the CWS for so long, and they're the ones that can visibly see the revenue that it draws in. I assume they wouldn't be keeping a 2 week show around that loses money in the end just because they like a challenge... |
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| 03/13/2008 3:06 PM |
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Oh, BTW. To the persona who wanted to read up on the 50 page impact report to how the CWS affects the city of Omaha. Here you go... peruse it all you want. I will probably skim it at some point.
http://216.58.247.194/sm_pdfs/cws_impactstudy.pdf |
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egami
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| 03/13/2008 3:26 PM |
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If you're referring to me I've already found that study.
What I was looking for was the study the validated the ~$35M/yr revenue the CWS allegedly generated.
At the end of the day what it amounts to is this...Omaha residents are going to suffer higher taxes to keep the CWS and benefit their local businesses from the traffic. You're taking a portion of money from the residential tax base to fund and foster a better business environment. All of these attractions boil down to roughly that and this one is no different.
I just want to know answers to some gaping holes in their plans...
Where is the current Keno revenue going? What taxes are going to be implemented to offset those dollars that will get redirected to the build of the stadium.
What is the detail behind the "Other" costs not specified in their reports.
What is the plan with Rosenblatt? Are they going to force the Royals out of there and into tenancy in the new park? Because whatever you do with Rosenblatt....keep it, destroy it or renovate it...there is revenue needed there that isn't being discussed.
Glad I don't pay taxes in Omaha...I can tell you that much. Frankly, I hope they do it because I enjoy heading over to the CWS and it doesn't effect me, but I like to play devil's advocate on this issue. The residents have cause for alarm. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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