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| 03/04/2008 9:08 AM |
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3276034
Hats off to Brett...fantastic career. |
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Crit40
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| 03/04/2008 9:15 AM |
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| I'm a little surprised at this, but what better way to exit the game? A record breaking season; a resurgence of the team; a class act. |
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egami
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| 03/04/2008 9:20 AM |
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| I'd love to see him on a network next season... |
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| 03/04/2008 9:20 AM |
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Just a gut feeling, but I think he'll change his mind. He really wanted Randy Moss, and may be pouting a bit right now. He'll come around -- he's got a lot of weapons. He'll realize that, and not want to miss out on the opportunity to play with them.
But if he is done, one of the best QBs of all time just retires. Sad to see him go. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 03/04/2008 9:30 AM |
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I don't personally get that feeling, but I know what you're saying....I wouldn't surprised either way. Especially after the drama from a couple seasons ago when contemplating retirement.
It's good timing for Green Bay....they'll have a shot at a pretty decent QB prospect to add to their roster this year with the draft depth.
If he returns...it'll be for another team. Maybe after a year off, refreshed. He's done in GB though. |
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| 03/04/2008 9:34 AM |
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At this point, the guy has nothing more to prove. I'd hate to see him un-retire at this point, but sometimes that competitive fire burns a little too hot and even the best don't know when to say when (see Jordan, Michael, Washington Wizards era).
He's had a hell of a career, and considering how 2006 ended I don't think too many people thought he'd have the kind of year he had in 2007. Were it not for some guy by the name of Brady he'd have been my pick for NFL MVP last year. |
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| 03/04/2008 9:37 AM |
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That really is surprising news. He seemed content and happy playing last season. Could be his body is giving way.
Regardless, HOF career and great ambassador of the game. I wish him well. |
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| 03/04/2008 9:41 AM |
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| Yeah D, I think that is probably the primary reason. He got banged up pretty good during the season, and as you age, it gets harder and harder to recover. My guess is that following the season and a little down time.....he realized just how beat up his body actually is. During the season when you remain active, it's not as noticeable.....but once you take a break.........oh boy! |
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egami
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| 03/04/2008 9:51 AM |
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| Yeah, I thought that Dallas game might end his streak. |
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| 03/04/2008 3:21 PM |
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| Things should be fine in GB without him. Rodgers is ready. |
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egami
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| 03/04/2008 4:00 PM |
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| 26 posts and finally something sports-related. |
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| 03/04/2008 4:03 PM |
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| Don't know if Rodgers is "ready" in that he didn't get as many snaps as you'd like the guy to have, but I'm sure he'll develop. Give him a year or two and they'll be fine... |
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| 03/04/2008 4:13 PM |
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Rodgers knows the system. He looked great against Dallas, but it's too early to crown him anything.
The last thing you want to be in the guy after the guy. That alone is a lot of pressure. We'll see...can't be worse than Wrex Grossform. |
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| 03/04/2008 4:15 PM |
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| The NFC North oughta be interesting -- not a reputable quality quarterback in the bunch right now. Rodgers might be the best of the four teams by default, considering the alternatives are Grossman, Kitna and whoever is under center in Minnesorta. |
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| 03/04/2008 5:16 PM |
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| Beats teaching a new guy the system. Not sure how he couldn't be ready after waiting in the wings for 3 or 4 years. |
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| 03/05/2008 8:03 AM |
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| I don't think the question is so much if he's ready, but rather how good he'll actually be as an NFL starter. |
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vranged
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| 03/05/2008 9:48 AM |
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The popular thing on all the sports shows yesterday was to rank Brett Favre's place in history. Seemingly, all the "experts" put Joe Montana on the top of the list.
For the sake of discussion, I'm going to say that Joe Montana is overrated. Here's why:
1. His numbers come nowhere near those of Elway, Marino, Favre, etc.
2. He had the luck/pleasure of playing with Jerry Rice for his entire career, and Rice is considered by many to be the best NFL player (not just receiver) of all time.
3. He was somewhat of a system quarterback. Look at the QBs that followed Montana, and look at the numbers/success they achieved. Steve Young -- who couldn't even start in Tampa Bay when they were awful -- becomes a HOF'er, and wins a Super Bowl. Elvis Grbac, for Christ's sake, put up very good numbers in that system.
My point with the system thing is that if you put Montana on one of Marino's teams, I don't think he accomplishes as much as Marino did with the same talent around him. BUt if you put Marino on Montana's team, I believe he would have enjoyed as much, if not a lot more, success as Montana achieved.
Montana deserves to be mentioned as one of the best QBs of all time. But the consensus I heard yesterday was that he was #1. I disagree. My rankings, based on the QBs I've seen play, are: 1. Elway 2. Marino 3. Favre 4. Montana 5. Brady. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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Omahan
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| 03/05/2008 9:58 AM |
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I've had countless debates regarding Joe Montana and his place in history.
I take the advantage of having had a conversation with Roger Craig before a Nebraska game in 1999.
-He talked about Joe's mechanics and instincts.
-He talked about Joe suffering a concussion and wobbling into the huddle and basically calling the play with glossy and blurred eyes.
-He talked about having been in the league as long as he played and the respect that Montana demanded from defensive coordinators.
-He talked about Joe's uncanny ability to improvise his way to positive yardage.
-He talked about Joe having more input into the WCO system than he was given credit for.
-He talked about no one guy ever getting more out of less physically.
Mostly he talked about how he knew that when Montana was on the field, you were going to find a way to get it done. Winning is what separates the great ones.
Yes, he had a supporting cast that was talented. But when we toss in Favre, Elway, Marino, Kelly and etc. Right away I toss out Marino because when it counted he didn't deliver. Kelly is just plain unlucky.
Elway and Favre make things very interesting in this topic. At that point it comes down to who you would choose if you were a coach and needed a QB to go to war with.
I'd take a young Joe Montana everytime.
IMO, THE GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME! Throw out the stats and factor in the winning. |
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| 03/05/2008 10:05 AM |
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So does that mean Ken Norton, Jr. is the greatest defensive player of all time in the NFL. He, or Charles Haley (I think) have the most rings.
Are Robert Horry and Steve Kerr the greatest NBA players of our generation (they have the most rings).
Winning is A factor, but it's not THE factor when individually comparing players. Marino couldn't get it done because the team around him was never good. That's not his fault, and he shouldn't be downgraded for it. Montana, on the other hand, never had that problem. He was always on great teams. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 03/05/2008 10:05 AM |
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In general, I hesitate to give as much credit to pre-salary cap era players. It depends on the team, but many of those teams some of the those QB's played for were flat out loaded with talent.
When I rank QB's overall I rank them based on all categories...that's why I rate Brady #1, overall. He has mechanics, discipline, leadership, intelligence, play-making ability, late game drive ability, championship rings....he simply seems the most well-rounded of the top QB's and has done so with some absolutely marginal WR talent on the passing stats for most of his career.
That being said...
I like Favre...he has grit. I really respect his consecutive games played probably more than anything. Imo, the most impressive streak in pro sports, perhaps. He ranks pretty high with me.
I'd have to really think over my top 5.... |
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