egami
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| 02/23/2008 8:49 PM |
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Too bad he's a cheater.
Big deal, 160 cases across ALL other D1 coaches versus Sampson having well over that many ALONE.
If he wants to change the rules he needs to take the steps to do it. These actions put him at a deliberate advantage and he should continue to be reprimanded. I hope they ban him from D1 if he does it again. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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IrememberDukester
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| 02/24/2008 12:11 AM |
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Amen!
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Omahan
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| 02/24/2008 12:36 PM |
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Interpretation of what cheating is is being discussed regarding this situation with Sampson. And yes, it is a "big deal" that there were over 160 separate cases last season of this same violation and yet none were reported in the media. Sampson's were reported in the media when he was at Oklahoma and they were his first time.
Nothing is ever as black & white as your last post would allude to egami. There is much more to this than just punishing the accused. Assuming this is your true views and not just a posturing, so you would also be the type that wants more prisons for criminals as opposed to solutions to rehab individuals that commit crimes?
I have always believed in goodness of people. Evidently you are not of that same line of thinking. |
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turducken
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| 02/24/2008 12:42 PM |
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DOmahaManIII has Samsung's back because Kelvin's part Cherokee. Which is fine.
That's neat if 160 other coaches go over their minutes...But Samsung knew the NCAA would be on his ass yet he still did it again. No sympathy. |
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Omahan
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| 02/24/2008 12:44 PM |
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He should have been suspended without pay. Not asked to step down.
Doesn't matter to me if he were Romanian, the guy got made out as a poster boy for this violation. |
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turducken
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| 02/24/2008 12:48 PM |
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There's a reason for that.
Indiana had to put the hammer down to cover their backside for hiring the guy while he was radioactive. |
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Omahan
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| 02/24/2008 12:58 PM |
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That is part of the reason. The other part is the NCAA was bringing down the hammer because this was publicized and second offense.
Poster Child all the way. Kelvin was asked to strike a pose and it wasn't a Heisman pose, more like his pink slip mug shot. |
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egami
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| 02/25/2008 7:11 AM |
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Yeah, the guy got made a poster boy because he single-handedly had more violations in a season that all other coaches combined.
Then he lied.
Then he did it again.
Of course, to OmaDman, that should merit a reward...not punishment. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 02/25/2008 9:25 AM |
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Posted By egami on 02/25/2008 7:11 AM
Yeah, the guy got made a poster boy because he single-handedly had more violations in a season that all other coaches combined.
Clearly you did not read many articles to establish the truth in regards to Kelvin Sampson.
His infractions were calculated in terms of the number of phone calls. Each phone call made during "quiet" recruiting time is not another violation but rather a part of a violation from that same period. That is why he made more calls, because his assumption was he was violating and it was all the same.
The 160+ violations were separate cases lodged against separate D-1 coaches.
Read and examine text before typing once in awhile egami.
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egami
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| 02/25/2008 9:35 AM |
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| Show me another coach that had more documented NCAA violations that year. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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Crit40
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| 02/25/2008 10:14 AM |
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Each phone call made during "quiet" recruiting time is not another violation but rather a part of a violation from that same period. That is why he made more calls, because his assumption was he was violating and it was all the same.
I think you just made a good case as to why Sampson has issues. The attitude of "well, I aready broke the rule, so what difference does it make how many times at this point" is central to his character. An ethical individual, of strong character would have mitigated the situation by NOT violating the rule incessantly. |
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Counting the Herd one hoof at a time. |
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Omahan
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| 02/25/2008 10:27 AM |
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Crit40, I have never nor will I start today, defended Coach Sampson's reluctance to cease the activity.
My echoeing sentiment is that he is guilty of "Phone Calls!!!" And he lost his job as a result of making phone calls.
I think the punishment does not fit the crime. I stand by suspension without pay sufficing as punishment. |
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Omahan
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| 02/25/2008 10:30 AM |
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Envision yourself losing your job as a result of making phone calls? In a field that requires the usage of phones to conduct business.
How's that for good old american enterprise. |
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egami
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| 02/25/2008 10:35 AM |
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He didn't lose his job for making phone calls. He lost his job for violating rules, lying and basic ethical standards that would get anyone fired anywhere in a similar situation.
American enterprise has nothing to do with it. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 02/25/2008 10:47 AM |
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That's your opinion and I disagree with it. He did lose his job for making phone calls. What other violation of a NCAA rule did he break?
He made phone calls. |
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Crit40
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| 02/25/2008 10:57 AM |
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Sampson, as I understand it, was on a short leash at Indiana...........they took a chance on hiring a guy who was placed on NCAA probation for violating recruiting rules.....and he, in turn, would tow the line. He didn't hold up his end of the bargain......he was let go.
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Counting the Herd one hoof at a time. |
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Omahan
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| 02/25/2008 10:59 AM |
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Regardless Crit40, it was phone calls and three way phone calls at that. And most made by his assistants not Sampson himself.
Indiana announced Sampson broke his one-year penalty from May 24, 2006, to May 25, 2007, which was imposed for recruiting violations, by participating in a three-way recruiting call on 10 occasions. As a result:
• Sampson lost a $500,000 bonus for 2007-08.
• The team lost a scholarship for 2008-09, reducing the number of scholarships to 12.
• Assistant Rob Senderoff, who set up the three-way calls, will be banned for a year from recruiting off campus and making phone calls. He also will not receive a bonus and cannot receive a salary increase next year.
Indiana also announced Sunday that it sent a report to the NCAA enforcement staff about 35 phone calls made by assistant coaches that were in violation of the NCAA limits on how much a prospect could be contacted.
The more I hear the more of a joke it is to me. |
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egami
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| 02/25/2008 11:00 AM |
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Making phone calls isn't an NCAA violation in and of itself. He was involved in illegal recruiting practices which included phone calls, improper personal contact and also lying about events to the NCAA regarding recruiting methods.
Why would he lie? Because he wasn't just making phone call...he was BREAKING RULES. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 02/25/2008 11:03 AM |
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Yes, but breaking rules and cheating are two very different things.
Ride the established rules line if you must but you cannot take away from the fact that three way calls and then Kelvin denying making calls because he didn't, it was three way, is what his demise is all about.
BTW, love your sig lines, all three of them are the most earnest text that comes from you. |
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Crit40
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| 02/25/2008 11:18 AM |
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I've never been arrested or charged with anything.......but my understanding of the "probation" thing is that you must stay clean. If you get probation for shoplifiting, you must stay clean, or the repercussions become much more serious. If you get probation for unpaid tickets, you must stay clean, or the repercussion become much more serious. If you violate the NCAA's recruiting policies and are given probation, you must stay clean, or the repercussions become much more serious.
a loss of $500,000 bonus, a loss of a scholarship........this violation sounds somewhat serious to me? |
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Counting the Herd one hoof at a time. |
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