Crit40
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| 07/27/2007 7:24 PM |
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This guy will probably hold-out the entire season waiting for No. 1 money, not withstanding that he wasn't even the No. 1 guy picked by his team in the draft.
What a doofus!
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bigredtank
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| 07/27/2007 11:55 PM |
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| Overrated! He is not that good and he also had a terrible mini camp. |
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vranged
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| 07/28/2007 8:55 AM |
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After Dallas passed on him, when Jerry Jones LOVES big name college guys like that, you knew there were questions about his ability. Quinn rarely played well against the Irish's tougher competition -- a definite red flag.
I see him being a Joey Harrington-type guy, who's good enough to stay around the league for 10 or 12 years to compile a 35-60 record. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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Logan
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| 07/30/2007 1:13 PM |
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| i think quinn will pan out better than harrington. the question is will he become the next tom brady. he has the boyish good looks, but does he have the arm and the supporting cast. |
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dwight, refuting reality one post at a time. |
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egami
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| 07/30/2007 1:53 PM |
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You can't blame him for holding out at this stage when so many other first rounders are unsigned. An extensive holdout would certainly be worth criticism, but not at this stage.
I think he needs to accept the money for where he was drafted. He slipped because of lack of interest and while it was a circumstantial fact that middle-round teams weren't looking at QB, he still wasn't good enough to draw attention on a pure value level.
If anything, he should be thankful for Cleveland ending the skid where they did because he could've easily slipped to second round. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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vranged
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| 07/30/2007 2:25 PM |
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Great point, Logan. At the scouting combine, Quinn graded off-the-charts in the "boyish good looks" category. He's gotta be the next Tom Brady.
Your crush on him notwithstanding, he always came up short in the big games at ND, even with QB guru Charlie Weis at the helm. My thoughts are that Quinn has hit his ceiling, and will be a bust.
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 07/30/2007 2:46 PM |
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In fairness, it's hard to judge him on the merits at ND. It's unfortunate for him that he didn't get a full 4 years under Weis. What is most puzzling about Quinn, to me, is the fact that Weis is a huge advocate of him. That isn't like a coach to put his reputation on the line like that just to get a kid drafted. I have tremendous respect for Charlie.
I admit, I don't see the top end NFL talent in Quinn. Weis blames many of his misses on the WR corps. Time will tell...my money is he's maybe the next Manning.
Eli, that is...
Actually, that's kind of joke too. I like Quinn's work ethic. I like the fact he can throw bench reps the way he did at the combine. I think he's smart enough to pick up NFL offense and reading defenses. He does have a chance to be good, I believe. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Logan
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| 07/30/2007 4:01 PM |
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Posted By vranged on 07/30/2007 2:25 PM
Great point, Logan. At the scouting combine, Quinn graded off-the-charts in the "boyish good looks" category. He's gotta be the next Tom Brady.
Your crush on him notwithstanding, he always came up short in the big games at ND, even with QB guru Charlie Weis at the helm. My thoughts are that Quinn has hit his ceiling, and will be a bust.
although i don't have near the mancrush on him as i do brett favre, i think a wait and see attitude is best with quinn. he has a certain intangible about him that makes it hard for me to say whether he will make it or be a bust. |
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vranged
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| 07/30/2007 4:34 PM |
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And what is that intangible, exactly?
The ability to lose a big game with a dashing smile? |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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Logan
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| 07/30/2007 4:46 PM |
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i'm willing to give him a chance to see what he can do with faster receivers. i'd also like to see what he can do with a good o line. the question is do the browns have either?
nd had weaknesses in both those areas. |
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vranged
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| 07/30/2007 5:00 PM |
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That's all fine and dandy, but what is this "intangible" that I hear you and others talk about with regards to Quinn. Other than the Michigan State comeback (which was incredible), he didn't win any big games. Couldn't win a bowl to save his life -- and I don't remember the games even being close.
He may or may not be a good NFL QB. Time will tell. He seems like a good kid, so best of luck to him. But "being a white QB from Notre Dame" isn't some appreciable tangible, even though it is perceived as such. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 07/30/2007 8:07 PM |
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I think it's more tangibles than intangibles he has to his credit. His strength, footwork and ability to comprehend a fairly complicated system are in his favor. However, there are questions about accuracy and, as vranged has pointed out, poise. If he is going to be the next Tom Brady he sure wasn't showing it at ND.
I don't know...for some reason I don't have a bad feeling about the kid like I did with Eli and Rodgers (who I am still kind of waiting to see how right or wrong I was about).
But, at the end of the day, there are more questions than answers with Quinn. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Crit40
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| 07/31/2007 11:54 AM |
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| Quinn's a superstar. Just ask him. |
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Counting the Herd one hoof at a time. |
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egami
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| 07/31/2007 12:06 PM |
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His girlfriend is pretty hot. A lot of good that did him sitting up front waiting to be drafted in the top 10.
Scratch that...she's not so hot, but hey she's blonde! |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Crit40
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| 07/31/2007 10:13 PM |
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She sure can play soccer though..........it appears she is very good at blocking the ball with her face.
But hey she's blonde! |
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Logan
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| 08/01/2007 11:44 AM |
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| i really can't put my finger on it, it's just more of a gut feeling. we'll have to wait and see whether my gut's right again or not. |
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DMan
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| 08/02/2007 1:46 PM |
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Posted By vranged on 07/28/2007 8:55 AM
After Dallas passed on him, when Jerry Jones LOVES big name college guys like that, you knew there were questions about his ability. Quinn rarely played well against the Irish's tougher competition -- a definite red flag.
I see him being a Joey Harrington-type guy, who's good enough to stay around the league for 10 or 12 years to compile a 35-60 record.
I don't blame him for holding out. It's solid business! Brady Quinn fared very well against formidable opponents in college. Where did you get those facts? I just looked into his stats and saw a few down games against big time opponents but also saw a 400 yard, 5 TD explosion against Michigan a few years ago. I think he will be good. Hall of Fame when he hangs up the cleats.
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vranged
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| 08/02/2007 3:06 PM |
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In four years as N.D.'s starter, Brady Quinn was 29-18 as a starter. BUT, if you take out Stanford, BYU and the service academies, he was 18-17. That's average.
Quinn never won a bowl game, and never beat USC (0-4). Sure, he racked up tons of yards and touchdowns, but so did Ty Detmer, Timmy Chang, Andre Ware and David Klingler. Those numbers don't mean a lot without victories when it counts.
Notre Dame adds so much to a player's mystique, but that doesn't transfer to the pro field.
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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Tim in Omaha
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| 08/02/2007 3:44 PM |
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OK, this is my honest asssessment of this entire Brady Quinn situation. Brady Quinn is the most overrated player in the NFL. He has not taken one snap and he is overrated. He was overrated at Notre Dame and he is going to be an overrated dud in the NFL. Can you say Tim Couch. He was the #22 pick not a top 10 pick, he wasn't even his teams #1 pick. He should be happy that the browns even traded to pick his sorry ***!!! I hate ungrateful people who think they are better then they are, I give Brady Quinn 3 years in the NFL and he will be playing for the Edmonton Eskimos!!!!
Or he knows that he sucks, so this is his one chance at a good contract.
I don't think he will sign a contract with the Browns until after Jamarcus Russel signs with the Raiders. I believe that he will be the last player drafted in this years draft to sign a contract; that means he misses to much of training camp and that means he will be behind and won't start until the end of the season.
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Cornhuskers the winningest college football program of the last 50 years, both by winning percentage and number of wins.
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| 08/02/2007 4:03 PM |
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Posted By vranged on 08/02/2007 3:06 PM
Notre Dame adds so much to a player's mystique, but that doesn't transfer to the pro field.
Looked good on Joe Montana's resume!
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