Omahan
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| 01/29/2008 8:00 AM |
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1. "IF" the allegations were true.
2. Lending credibility upon a person derived from that fact that they have money and status makes no sense. I don't care if it were Bill "Gawd" Gates himself.
Coach Rodriguez is protected by the same safety net that all "big time" college coaches are. He has a network of influencial people that support the program that he nurtured and has become personal friends with some.
It happens at every university in the USA. Adored by many, respect is something you have to earn. |
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Omahan
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| 01/29/2008 8:01 AM |
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| Double post - sorry. |
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egami
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| 01/29/2008 8:09 AM |
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1. You can underscore the "IF" now...however, you left this statement standing on its own, unqualified:
Posted By Omahan on 01/28/2008 8:22 PM
Rich Rodriguez has much to learn about loyalty and respect.
2. Say what you want, but no WVU alum, especially a high dollar donor, has any reason to stand behind Rodriguez unless...well there actually IS a reason to.
You can say it happens at every university...but having this kind of backing from an alum is not a common occurrence in this type of heated situation when the coach is out the door.
Sounds to me like you're looking for a reason to dismiss it. Maybe because he's Hispanic...oh, wait, you're not that guy...
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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Omahan
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| 01/29/2008 8:38 AM |
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Case in point, Loyalty - RR makes statement at press conference to accept MU job about 4 MIL option on WVU job. That is dis-loyal to the University of West Virginia.
Respect - is earned. It's not debatable. He could've graciously offered any settlement WVU wanted and moved on and still never wanted for anything. RR has to disgard the greed he has manifested.
Alum stand behind coaches mostly because they win, and RR did that in West Virginia. In some rare cases you'll find some alum stand behind a losing coach. Rare at best. And I agree that having an alum backing you in this type of matter says something about RR and his ability to make friends. Nothing more though. Unless this alum actually had a hand in the matter being questioned.
As far as RR being hispanic, what does that mean? |
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| 01/29/2008 8:41 AM |
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Again, operating under the assumption that WVU was loyal to him, when multiple allegations suggest otherwise. You're right, respect is earned, and respect is a two-way street.
You continue to go to great lengths to assume WVU isn't in the wrong. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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Omahan
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| 01/29/2008 9:06 AM |
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http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache Cn3y-avxrAJ:www.freepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article%3FAID%3D/20080119/COL01/80119048/0/SPORTS06+Rich+Rodriguez+Scandal+Detroit+Free+Press&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us
Mitch Albom, Detroit Free Press wrote in his column dated January 19, 2008 this article:
Pertinent caption reads..."I don’t know about you, but none of those statements strikes me as comforting. Rodriguez admits he destroyed some files, but says trust me, they didn’t matter. He half-denies calling a recruit, then says it never happened before he resigned — but there is disagreement over when he officially resigned. He acknowledges the suit over his buyout, but never gives a simple answer to who’s paying it and when.
How would we react if Carr had told some other state: “I know Michigan sued me, and I have to respond to that.”
Another odd tidbit, RR's MU contract has a guess what? A 4 Million dollar buyout option.
Imagine that? |
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Crit40
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| 01/29/2008 9:13 AM |
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You continue to go to great lengths to assume WVU isn't in the wrong.
Aren't they just asking the good man to honor his contract? How are they in the wrong? |
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Counting the Herd one hoof at a time. |
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| 01/29/2008 9:39 AM |
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Posted By Crit40 on 01/29/2008 9:13 AM You continue to go to great lengths to assume WVU isn't in the wrong. Aren't they just asking the good man to honor his contract? How are they in the wrong?
If they verbally promised him things and reneged they are in the wrong. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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egami
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| 01/29/2008 9:40 AM |
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| OmaDman, can you edit out that link so it doesn't distort the thread? |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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Omahan
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| 01/29/2008 1:45 PM |
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And the bantering continues.
Here you go on RR:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080120/COL01/801200588/1082 |
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Crit40
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| 01/29/2008 3:56 PM |
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If they verbally promised him things and reneged they are in the wrong.
I'm not sure he can hold their feet to the fire on some verbal promises. If the "contract" called for the University to act on certain issues and they did not, then maybe he could argue that they violated the contract. But I don't think that is the case here. Any verbal promises outside the contract have nothing to do with the contract. If it were that important, he should have negotiated it into the contract before he signed the contract.
IMO, its about time some of these university starts standing up to these greedy bastards. |
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Counting the Herd one hoof at a time. |
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egami
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| 01/29/2008 4:00 PM |
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Posted By Omahan on 01/29/2008 1:45 PM
And the bantering continues.
Here you go on RR:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080120/COL01/801200588/1082
I am probably more on top of this that you are...go back and fix that link that didn't even post right. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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egami
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Posted By Crit40 on 01/29/2008 3:56 PM If they verbally promised him things and reneged they are in the wrong. I'm not sure he can hold their feet to the fire on some verbal promises. If the "contract" called for the University to act on certain issues and they did not, then maybe he could argue that they violated the contract. But I don't think that is the case here. Any verbal promises outside the contract have nothing to do with the contract. If it were that important, he should have negotiated it into the contract before he signed the contract. IMO, its about time some of these university starts standing up to these greedy bastards.
Crit, my contentions to OhaDman haven't been in regards to the contract. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 01/29/2008 4:32 PM |
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| The article by Albom was very interesting even from a Michigan fan perspective. He is forthright and frank. |
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egami
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| 01/29/2008 6:16 PM |
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| Then fix the link, duh... |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 01/29/2008 10:05 PM |
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What is wrong with the communication between your brain and your fingers?
There is a thing called google you can go to and type in Detroit Free Press Mitch Albom and then when something comes up you can then dig for his column on RR.
It's fixed. |
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egami
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| 01/30/2008 7:09 AM |
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Thanks, Einstein...I've already Googled the article due to your lack of brilliance...oh, OhaDman...the link is STILL broke (note the smiley face embedded), thanks....
The point of reiterating it was for you to REMOVE the link since it distorts the thread. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 01/30/2008 7:56 AM |
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Why all the haste? Call me whatever name you choose but accusing me of "distorting the thread" by tossing in a link that didn't work is a reach.
Don't tell me you are such a Maize homer that you cannot digest the truth. I am a Buff fan and I actually stay away from matters of CU because I get personally involved.
Just remember, the internet is a powerful tool, the average joe can have information by simply sifting that you might not have about MU football even though he/she is not a fan.
I don't suppose you will lend much positive energy to this post so I guess I just wasted 20 seconds. |
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egami
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| Link still broke, thanks. It's really an issue of whether you want to be considerate or not more than anything. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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Here's the actual story from Mitch Albom:
MITCH ALBOM: Their Rich Rodriguez mess could one day be ours
January 20, 2008
BY MITCH ALBOM
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST
Let's be honest.
If Lloyd Carr, early in his career as Michigan head coach, had bolted for another school and a richer contract -- as Rich Rodriguez did -- if he initially lied about a meeting with that school, if he abruptly left the Wolverines before a bowl, if he informed Michigan of his departure through a graduate assistant, if he informed a prep quarterback prospect before he told his U-M boss, if he shredded files in Ann Arbor, if he took most of the U-M staff with him, and if he owed Michigan a $4-million buyout and had his lawyers working on ways not to pay it -- you can bet we'd be angry.
We'd be flooding radio talk shows.
We'd be jumping on any negative tidbit.
Just as they're doing in West Virginia.
If Maize-and-Blue loyalists want to lust after a national championship and want the hot coach of the moment to lead them, that's fine. But don't be hypocritical. Don't dismiss West Virginia fans and media as sore-loser crazies.
Because we'd do the same thing. This newspaper. Our radio stations. Our TV. And our fans. That is how it works now in college football. When you steal a coach, it's lucky you. When your coach is stolen, it's trash the guy.
Personally, I'm not so concerned about what West Virginia thinks of Rodriguez at Michigan.
I'm concerned about Michigan.
Words on words
The fact is, Rodriguez brought a lot of this on himself. He did leave. He did leave quickly. He didn't exactly handle it in a forthright manner. And by his admittance in a teleconference last week, he did shred some files, although he told the media the discarded papers "were completely useless to everybody."
On calling recruits, he said: "I did not call a single ... I don't recall exactly the particular time or how I made the call, but I never called a single Michigan recruit before I resigned as a coach at West Virginia."
And on the buyout issue, he said: "I know there's a lawsuit out there that West Virginia sued me, and I have to respond to that."
Well. I don't know about you, but none of those statements strikes me as comforting. Rodriguez admits he destroyed some files, but says trust me, they didn't matter. He half-denies calling a recruit, then says it never happened before he resigned -- but there is disagreement over when he officially resigned. He acknowledges the suit over his buyout, but never gives a simple answer to who's paying it and when.
How would we react if Carr had told some other state: "I know Michigan sued me, and I have to respond to that."
I don't think we'd be talking about what a great guy he was.
The numbers game
What bugs me is that Michigan never used to be involved in stuff like this. Since when did it start buying out coaches? First John Beilein with the basketball team. Now Rodriguez. To me, this is a form of legalized extortion. Some other school wants to hire your employee, you demand a payoff. It's ugly and has no place in a college environment. I wish Bill Martin, U-M's athletic director, had the nerve to say that.
And since when did Michigan football start hinging on high school recruits? I have heard more lately about Terrelle Pryor, the Pennsylvania prep quarterback, than I ever can recall hearing about a kid who doesn't yet have a high school diploma. Is this how we are going to judge Rodriguez? By who he reels in?
If so, Michigan has jumped in the same mucky waters as many other win-crazed schools, who are only concerned with BCS, not the BS it requires. Some feel that's what sports should be. They are entitled to their views.
But Michigan football used to be more special. It was never sullied with departure lies or shredding, because it promoted from within. It didn't deal with buyouts for the same reason.
Yet in Rodriguez's new Michigan contract, just revealed, there is -- guess what? -- a $4-million buyout clause. And if U-M ever finds itself on the opposite side of that one, we quickly will see how folks around here behave eerily similar to the angry fans in West Virginia.
The old expression goes "To the victors go the spoils." But you wonder how much all this is spoiling the Victors.
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