Blackshirt
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| 01/08/2008 11:32 PM |
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Posted By SeahawksSB42champs on 01/07/2008 8:22 PM
Until major league baseball gets serious about cleaning up its sport and hiring a legitimate commissioner, how can you call it anything BUT fake?
Give me college baseball eight days a week over the majors...at least we're 99 percent sure those kids are playing by the rules.
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"Perhaps the worst thing that can happen is to reach into the refrigerator and come out with something that you cannot identify at all. You literally do not know what it is. Could be meat, could be cake. Usually, at a time like that, I'll bluff. "Honey, is this good?" "Well, what is it?" "I don't know. I've never seen anything like it. It looks like...meatcake!" "Well, smell it." (snort, sniff) "It has absolutely no smell whatsoever!" "It's good! Put it back! Somebody is saving it. It'll turn up in something." Thats what frightens me. That someone will consider it a challenge and use it just because it's in there." -- George Carlin |
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Omahan
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| 01/09/2008 9:38 AM |
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Never underestimate the power of the court of public opinion.
It would appear that Roger Clemens career as we know it, hangs in the balance in the court of public opinion.
His reputation is what is at stake. |
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egami
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| 01/09/2008 10:25 AM |
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| I've stated that here before. It's an injustice that MLB is using that court. In fact, I think this thread emphasizes that power of the court of public opinion. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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Omahan
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| 01/09/2008 4:38 PM |
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Mr. Mitchell heads a worldwide law firm and is former chief of Disney. He can make a liver quiver and that is why Selig hired him to file a report.
In the end, how can a guy that is on the front office board for a major league team be used in this context?
Short answer that we all know, he can't.
No Red Sox (current) on the report that I've seen.
Frivolous and obvious with unbecoming levity. |
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vranged
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| 01/09/2008 5:22 PM |
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My favorite thing about this entire scandal is that it can be argued that the "Steroid Era" helped save baseball after the Strike. Those that flocked back to the game for the gaudy numbers now discredit those numbers (which is fine, but ironic). It took the juiced McGwire and Sosa (allegedly) to captivate the nation. Sosa's insane body changes were just as apparent then, but conveniently ignored. Same with McGwire.
This country (and the media) loves to build people up in order to break them back down. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 01/09/2008 5:48 PM |
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I think there is little question it's directly responsible for, if nothing else, that fast recovery of baseball.
In fairness though, I don't put much blame on those that flocked back who are now balking over it...most of them were truly naive and ignorant about it and focused on the fallacy that MLB spun out to the media that it was the balls that were juiced, but yes..definitely ironic.
That last line is intriguing...we are discussing thought on a more religious, political board I frequent. Very true... |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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vranged
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| 01/10/2008 10:23 AM |
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I don't really mind, or blame, the people flocking back either. What I do mind, and blame, is the media, who conveniently ignored what was just as obvious then, as it is now. Why? Because the home run chase, and the return of baseball, and the McGwire/Sosa interaction, was a much better story. If a media member tried to rain on that parade, it would have been shunned.
I've become very bitter toward the media. I blame them for so much of what is wrong with our country. They shape opinions, and create controversy, and make mountains out of molehills. That's become their job. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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egami
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| 01/10/2008 10:43 AM |
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I agree. Media in America has gone from it's original grass roots of focusing on reporting truth to a corporate money machine focused on revenue.
Sad, really. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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| 01/10/2008 4:52 PM |
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Posted By egami on 01/10/2008 10:43 AM
I agree. Media in America has gone from it's original grass roots of focusing on reporting truth to a corporate money machine focused on revenue.
Sad, really.
Entire networks have joined the fray, some only report the bad news others only report the good news depending on what side of the middle you are located in.
I personally make an attempt to study the issue and make a judgement based on my knowledge and perspective as opposed to what someone has told me.
A great example is immediately after a State of the Union address some network correspondent will tell you (according to them) exactly what you have just heard with your own ears.
They must think we are very stupid!
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Omahan
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| 01/10/2008 6:50 PM |
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| In some shape or form, I believe that would be citizen journalism at it's finest. |
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vranged
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| 01/14/2008 10:08 AM |
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| The fact that there is something called "spin alley" after those debates tells you how disingenuine they are. The only thing they're honest about is the fact that they're trying to spin everything! How messed up is that. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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Omahan
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| 01/14/2008 7:38 PM |
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"independent investigation" it was not. Mr. Mitchell is far from independent.
More like interwoven. Into the fibers that are Boston Red Sox. |
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Blackshirt
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| 01/15/2008 12:14 AM |
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So, how soon until we have the Hip-Hop hearings....
http://www.denverpost.com/celebritybuzz/ci_7967445
Maybe there was a little something extra in 'Fitty's Vitamin Water. |
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"Perhaps the worst thing that can happen is to reach into the refrigerator and come out with something that you cannot identify at all. You literally do not know what it is. Could be meat, could be cake. Usually, at a time like that, I'll bluff. "Honey, is this good?" "Well, what is it?" "I don't know. I've never seen anything like it. It looks like...meatcake!" "Well, smell it." (snort, sniff) "It has absolutely no smell whatsoever!" "It's good! Put it back! Somebody is saving it. It'll turn up in something." Thats what frightens me. That someone will consider it a challenge and use it just because it's in there." -- George Carlin |
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vranged
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| 02/06/2008 1:36 PM |
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Posted By Blackshirt on 01/03/2008 10:30 PM
Roger Clemens going on "60 Minutes" on Sunday.
Unless Clemens actually answers questions under oath, I won't be impressed.
You impressed yet? Does Clemens get any more benefit of the doubt now that he's testified, under oath, to the same things he's been saying all along.
He's worth tens and tens of millions of dollars. He could escape the public light forever, like McGwire. But he's risking his FREEDOM to maintain his position that he never took steroids. Maybe is it time to cut him some slack?
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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Omahan
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| 02/06/2008 1:42 PM |
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He has been energetic as hell in refuting the allegations. For his sake, I hope he is innocent.
He is doing the right thing. His reputation as person carries much more leverage than his status as a sports great. People will never see him for anything but a cheat if he doesn't clear his name. |
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egami
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| 02/06/2008 1:54 PM |
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Posted By vranged on 02/06/2008 1:36 PM Posted By Blackshirt on 01/03/2008 10:30 PM
Roger Clemens going on "60 Minutes" on Sunday.
Unless Clemens actually answers questions under oath, I won't be impressed.
You impressed yet? Does Clemens get any more benefit of the doubt now that he's testified, under oath, to the same things he's been saying all along. He's worth tens and tens of millions of dollars. He could escape the public light forever, like McGwire. But he's risking his FREEDOM to maintain his position that he never took steroids. Maybe is it time to cut him some slack?
Exactly...there were a number of people on this board questioning Clemens and how he MUST be lying because he didn't come out right away. Jim Rome did the same damn thing...
I'll admit, he COULD be lying, but the fact is there is no clear evidence against Clemens.
He's now testified under oath. The taped recording, while not incriminating of McNamee, it certainly didn't bolster his claims made in the Mitchell Report.
It's time for all the naysayers to admit that they jumped the gun pointing the finger at Clemens prematurely. I mean, heck, you don't even have speculative evidence like with Bonds where he changed in size or spiked in performance abnormally. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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vranged
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| 02/06/2008 2:02 PM |
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| For anyone that still says with conviction that Clemens definitively took steroids, I ask them: What else can this guy do to prove his innocence? |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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Omahan
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| 02/06/2008 2:09 PM |
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I would answer, "nothing." He has taken it to the streets (so to speak) in an all out effort to clear his name. For me, I still don't believe him though. He came late and is going overboard.
But I do agree that there is nothing more he can do. |
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egami
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| 02/06/2008 2:28 PM |
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He came late? There is already heavy government involvement...then, enter stage left, the biased, former owner doing an "independent" report shows up with a report full of names with evidence barely good enough to most cases to create indictments (which, you can indict a ham sandwich as the great Sal Palantonio once said).
He HAD to come in late. With so much sensitivity around the subject he was smart enough to consult his lawyer instead of running off his mouth to the media like he's done in the past on less sensitive issues. |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 02/06/2008 2:32 PM |
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I'm particularly referencing his slow response publicly to the Mitchell Report. He has been much maligned for that in the media.
I just think if he reacted slowly as a result of advice of counsel. Then IMO it was bad advice. A guy has to step up when accused of something of this nature and do it quickly and resoundingly. He has performed the latter but IMO it was too late.
We'll see... |
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