egami
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| 02/13/2008 3:10 PM |
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Here's why I don't have a huge problem with it say versus them looking into Spygate, for instance...
1. It's illegal activity.
2. MLB has probably the most inept puppets for it's Commish that you can't trust to clean it up.
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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SeahawksSB42champs
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| 02/13/2008 3:11 PM |
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Simple...they want people to think they're doing SOMETHING, when in all honesty they aren't doing diddly shoot.
Which is pretty much how they're taking care of the REAL business they should concern themselves with...like the war on terror, health care, taxes, etc. etc.
The question we SHOULD be asking ourselves is: why do we continue to elect these buffoons? |
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wes134
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| 02/13/2008 3:23 PM |
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| i do realize that it is an illegal activity, but couldn't this be handled in the courts and opposed to a congressional hearing? If was suspected of doing something illegal, i would be arrsted, booked, and given a court date, not a day on the hill. |
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wes134
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| 02/13/2008 3:26 PM |
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| you know while we are at it i want congress to investigate the invesigation. i want them to see how much money and time they have wasted on this. Give me a call i'll testify |
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SeahawksSB42champs
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| 02/13/2008 3:31 PM |
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| I know I've wasted the better part of a day's productivity at work thanks to them. Can I sue them if the boss fires me for watching Waxman's ugly, buck-toothed, satellite-dish-eared mug on company time? |
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wes134
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| 02/13/2008 3:33 PM |
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| i don't see why not |
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egami
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| 02/13/2008 3:35 PM |
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Posted By wes134 on 02/13/2008 3:23 PM
i do realize that it is an illegal activity, but couldn't this be handled in the courts and opposed to a congressional hearing? If was suspected of doing something illegal, i would be arrsted, booked, and given a court date, not a day on the hill.
That's true, but then again "wes134" doesn't exactly merit national attention. I think the reason for the hearings is in large part because we're talking about potential illegal activity at a nationwide level. It's going to take some level of federal involvement.
Look at it this way....if the lid got blown clear off this thing through say media leaks and whistle-blowers then there was no response people would be complaining about the exact opposite saying the the government isn't doing anything.
Frankly, I think considering the magnitude this could have, Congress should be involved. It took me a while to come to that conclusion, but I don't have a problem with it.
Spygate, that's another story.... |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
I've worked very hard to become your friend egami. |
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Crit40
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| 02/14/2008 7:49 AM |
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Posted By egami on 02/13/2008 1:28 PM Here is an excerpt from todays ESPN blogging during questioning of Clemens: 2:09 p.m. ET
Could the Rocket be investigated for illegal B-12 use, too?
Sounds like it isn't out of the question, after Rep. Bruce Braley asked him whether he had been diagnosed with anemia, senile dementia or Alzheimer's. Or whether he was a vegetarian or a vegan.
They were moving along nicely till the vegan stuff came up.
"I don't know what that is," Clemens replied. "I'm sorry."
Sheez, and we had him pegged as a closet vegan, too.
Turns out, Braley informed him, those are the only approved medical reasons for anyone to get a B-12 injection.
Really? Then blame Roger's mother.
"My mother in 1988 suggested I take B-12," Clemens said. "I always assumed it was a good thing, not a bad thing."
Fortunately, Rep. Darrell Issa jumped in to defend both Clemens' mother and B-12 -- and not a moment too soon. Issa said his own mother had taken B-12 shots, and that it couldn't hurt you and might help you.
If that's the case, it's surprising no one has ever injected chicken soup on the advice of their mother. vranged, you work more in the legal arena, assuming that this is true regarding B-12 shots not being a medically approved practice that doesn't conversely make it illegal though, right?
I'm not sure this line of questioning was to suggest that Clemens did anything illegal by having B-12 injected, but more to discredit his position that what WAS injected was B-12 vs. HGH. The senator was suggesting that he would have no reason to inject B-12 and therefore is lying about it.
For me, the Andy Pettitt affidavit decided it for me. I didn't need to hear anything else. But then I suppose he could have just "mis-remembered".
What really amazed me is how even THIS issue between Clemens and McNamee was split on party lines.
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Counting the Herd one hoof at a time. |
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Omahan
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| 02/14/2008 6:07 PM |
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The Nanny and Roger's way seem odd to me. I find it almost sad how he is a guy that has lived as long as he has and has been coddled, nurtured and adored for so long that he doesn't have a idea of how to fess up. It would seem to me at least, that Roger is stuggling to face the music and he might just end up in prison as a result.
I've looked over a few perjury cases of late. While all can be felonies, it is extremely difficult to prove. Roger is giving them all they need. For his sake, I hope he is innocent. But Pettitte and the Nanny and his attorney's antics all smell like a rat. |
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| 02/14/2008 9:07 PM |
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At this time, based on only what I have heard and read, Clemens IMO is in trouble!
I tend to think that the accusations against him contain substance,
What happens beyond these hearing is a mystery to me however if you are ever caught lying make sure it's not to a congressional panel unless your name is Clinton!
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Omahan
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| 02/15/2008 10:48 AM |
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Additionally, McNamee's attorney's are convinced that Clemen's will get pardoned regardless due to his strong relationship with President Bush.
Maybe Roger is cocky because he is untouchable under the current situation. |
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egami
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| 02/15/2008 10:57 AM |
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I don't know why Roger is in trouble. The only real credible comments against him were Pettitte's and if you read the deposition there aren't any smoking gun comments in there. Assuming you can get through all of Pettitte's mumbling and repeated use of "yeah" and "like".
In a nutshell Pettitte's testimony was "yeah, I believe Roger once mentioned using HGH, but per a later conversation I believe that could be a misunderstanding on my part". |
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Posted By Omahan on 11/04/2008 2:24 PM
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Omahan
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| 02/15/2008 11:15 AM |
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http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1743
There is more than that to Pettitte's testimony. Most poignant for me was Roger's repeated "Baseball is what I do, it's not who I am." While not incriminating, I saw the repeated effort to get that out as disturbing to his credibility. I understand that is only my perception, but this deal is beggining to look like a cover up on Roger's part to me.
And the Nanny? He called her prior to the hearng? Why? And she states he was at Canseco's home. And McNamee shooting up Clemen's wife without his knowledge? There is more to this than just Pettitte and I would bet more to come.
My inclination at this point: He's Guilty.
Like Crit40 said, someone is lying and I believe it is Roger Clemens. |
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Omahan
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| 02/15/2008 11:22 AM |
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Speaking of Pettitte though, it would appear to me that he is the only one involved in all of this that has any personal foundation of decency left. He came out honestly and openly as soon as things were released.
Roger is imploding in front of an audience of about 50 million IMO.
McNamee has claimed to have injected two other Major Leaguers, Pettitte & Knoblauch, both have admitted their involvement.
“They don’t disagree on a phone call or one meeting,” committee chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., said during the hearing. “If Mr. McNamee is lying, he has acted inexcusably, and he has made Mr. Clemens an innocent victim. If Mr. Clemens isn’t telling the truth, then he is acting shamefully and has smeared Mr. McNamee. I don’t think there is anything in between.”
Roger had better get on his knees and put his hands together and hope his good friend Mr. Bush isn't out of office by the time this thing is over. If he is still in office, a pardon is possible. If not, adios Rocket. |
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Crit40
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| 02/18/2008 8:49 AM |
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The issues that really did it for me were:
1. Roger's stammering and stuttering
2. Pettitt's deposition and affidavit
3. Pettitt's wife's affidavit
4. Roger emphatically denying Canseco's party or having anything to do with it....only to find out his wife and kids spent the night there.
5. McNamee supposedly injecting his wife without his knowledge with some substance he knows nothing about in the bedroom of his home......and he didn't kill the guy?
6. The absess on the ass
7. The bloody designer jeans. Did they have him try those on ala O.J.
Roger Clemens is toast........as it pertains to guilt or innocense. |
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Omahan
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| 02/18/2008 12:27 PM |
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| He really is toast and it would appear that he doesn't have the resolve to save his own rear end. They'll carry him away in cuffs proclaiming, "I did not dishonor my family and Brian McNamee is a lying S.O.B.!" |
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