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Crit40
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| 07/18/2007 10:41 PM |
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I know a guy is innocent until proven guilty, but this whole deal doesn't look good for Vick, his team, the Falcon organization or the league.
Should Atlanta cut their losses and release him?
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brian
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| 07/19/2007 12:50 AM |
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| What Vick did is absolutely disgusting!!! Atlanta needs to cut him and Goodell needs to suspend him for the year. Stick with with the long of arm of Goodell's law and make the guy go away. |
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DMan
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| 07/19/2007 7:18 AM |
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| Just like his younger brother. Vick is an overrated thug ala Mike Tyson that will continually make collossal judgement errors. Cut him and watch him get picked up tomorrow. |
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Crit40
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| 07/19/2007 9:05 AM |
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| I agree, if the Falcons release him, Dallas will be right there to pick him up. Goddell needs to lay down the law here, just like with Pacman. |
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vranged
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| 07/19/2007 9:48 AM |
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I'm not THAT upset or irate about this. They're dogs. REPEAT: THEY'RE FRICKIN' DOGS!!!
I don't condone dogfighting. There are laws in place, and justice will hopefully be served (if he's guilty -- an assumption too many are making). But I can think of 10,000 worse things Vick could have done. So, it doesn't bother me. THEY'RE DOGS!!!!
Ever seen a cow get butchered? It's awful. It's inhumane. It's cruel. It's every bit as cruel as the reports on what Vick and others did to the dogs. BUT THEY'RE COWS!!! If you're really that upset about Vick's behavior, you better be a vegetarian (and not a pimp for Hardee's), otherwise you have some serious inconsistencies/hypocricies.
Ever been to a horse race? Jockeys kick -- as hard as they can -- and whip -- as hard as they can -- the horses to get them motivated to run faster. That is cruel. It's several steps below what Vick and others reportedly did to the dogs, but still -- THEY'RE HORSES!!!
Ever watched the Iditarod? Again, brutal. But....THEY'RE DOGS!!!
When I compare infractions, I think Maurice Purify is a worse person than Michael Vick. And I don't think Purify is that bad of a guy.
Let justice be served. But don't ruin the guy's life over something he did to dogs. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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Logan
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| 07/19/2007 1:00 PM |
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| what else might he have been involved in related to the dog incident? drugs perhaps? i think every pitbull in the world should be put down. nonetheless, this is still illegal and immoral and unethical in my opinion. i think vick is probably involved in more activities that might be worse than this. the nfl needs to set a standard for the type of individual they are going to let compete in their league. |
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Crit40
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| 07/20/2007 8:52 AM |
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Posted By vranged on 07/19/2007 9:48 AM
I'm not THAT upset or irate about this. They're dogs. REPEAT: THEY'RE FRICKIN' DOGS!!!
I don't condone dogfighting. There are laws in place, and justice will hopefully be served (if he's guilty -- an assumption too many are making). But I can think of 10,000 worse things Vick could have done. So, it doesn't bother me. THEY'RE DOGS!!!!
Ever seen a cow get butchered? It's awful. It's inhumane. It's cruel. It's every bit as cruel as the reports on what Vick and others did to the dogs. BUT THEY'RE COWS!!! If you're really that upset about Vick's behavior, you better be a vegetarian (and not a pimp for Hardee's), otherwise you have some serious inconsistencies/hypocricies.
Ever been to a horse race? Jockeys kick -- as hard as they can -- and whip -- as hard as they can -- the horses to get them motivated to run faster. That is cruel. It's several steps below what Vick and others reportedly did to the dogs, but still -- THEY'RE HORSES!!!
Ever watched the Iditarod? Again, brutal. But....THEY'RE DOGS!!!
When I compare infractions, I think Maurice Purify is a worse person than Michael Vick. And I don't think Purify is that bad of a guy.
Let justice be served. But don't ruin the guy's life over something he did to dogs.
I'm going to step out on a limb here and say you're not a PETA supporter. 
On this one Vranged I must disagree. Look, I hate the 3 cats my wife and kids have, but I couldn't even think about doing some of the things these clowns allegedly did to their dogs to these cats. Push them away, yes. Shock them to death, not so much.
It takes a "different" mindset to do these things. I agree with Logan on this one. If you don't think this violation of law is significant enough, I'm sure if the feds want to did deeper there are worse skeletons to be found, and I'm not referring to more dog skeletons.
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DMan
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| 07/20/2007 10:25 AM |
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Posted By vranged on 07/19/2007 9:48 AM
I'm not THAT upset or irate about this. They're dogs. REPEAT: THEY'RE FRICKIN' DOGS!!!
I don't condone dogfighting. There are laws in place, and justice will hopefully be served (if he's guilty -- an assumption too many are making). But I can think of 10,000 worse things Vick could have done. So, it doesn't bother me. THEY'RE DOGS!!!!
Ever seen a cow get butchered? It's awful. It's inhumane. It's cruel. It's every bit as cruel as the reports on what Vick and others did to the dogs. BUT THEY'RE COWS!!! If you're really that upset about Vick's behavior, you better be a vegetarian (and not a pimp for Hardee's), otherwise you have some serious inconsistencies/hypocricies.
Ever been to a horse race? Jockeys kick -- as hard as they can -- and whip -- as hard as they can -- the horses to get them motivated to run faster. That is cruel. It's several steps below what Vick and others reportedly did to the dogs, but still -- THEY'RE HORSES!!!
Ever watched the Iditarod? Again, brutal. But....THEY'RE DOGS!!!
When I compare infractions, I think Maurice Purify is a worse person than Michael Vick. And I don't think Purify is that bad of a guy.
Let justice be served. But don't ruin the guy's life over something he did to dogs.
"All creatures, two-legged & four-legged." -Anonymous
I agree with Crit & Logan here. On this one Vranged you are just wrong. Almost heartless in nature. Just dogs? Let me preface my opinion by stating that I am not a PETA supporter nor a bleeding heart for animal causes. Nonetheless, to non-chalantly accept Vicks situation would be to dispell the facts and to lean towards the jaded side of thinking. Just dogs?
No, no, no! Don't go there brougham. I do however agree that Mo Purify has done more and to more people and in repeated motion. I do however believe that mistreatment of animals is dead wrong and should be handled with severity. Don't worry though. This is not Crit or Vranged or Logan or DMan that is being tried for a crime. It's Michael Vick and he will be handled with white gloves.
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Logan
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| 07/20/2007 10:37 AM |
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| i hope you're wrong here d. i hope vick gets the maximum fine and jail time. |
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DMan
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| 07/20/2007 10:54 AM |
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Bugs Board 2007
Come football season it will live! Check it out!
http://z7.invisionfree.com/NebSports/index.php?act=idx |
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Blackshirt
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| 07/20/2007 3:23 PM |
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Vranged makes a point, in that nobody (outside of PETA) really raises a fuss over horse racing or the Iditarod when those sports can be cruel to animals as well.
Is horse racing really the "Sport of Kings" or is it "Midgets Strapped to Horses, Whipping Them So They'll Run Faster'?
And the last thing this world needs is something else for PETA to whine about. You want to be a vegetarian or vegan? Fine. More power to you. You insist on me being vegetarian or vegan and get really, really, really, really preachy about it? Then there's a problem.
What do I do if I'm Arthur Blank? Put Vick on paid leave until the case has an outcome, one way or another.
But then I'm not Arthur Blank.
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"Perhaps the worst thing that can happen is to reach into the refrigerator and come out with something that you cannot identify at all. You literally do not know what it is. Could be meat, could be cake. Usually, at a time like that, I'll bluff. "Honey, is this good?" "Well, what is it?" "I don't know. I've never seen anything like it. It looks like...meatcake!" "Well, smell it." (snort, sniff) "It has absolutely no smell whatsoever!" "It's good! Put it back! Somebody is saving it. It'll turn up in something." Thats what frightens me. That someone will consider it a challenge and use it just because it's in there." -- George Carlin |
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Logan
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| 07/20/2007 4:28 PM |
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| i love animals, they're delicious. |
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IrememberDukester
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| 07/20/2007 7:22 PM |
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Posted By brian on 07/19/2007 12:50 AM
What Vick did is absolutely disgusting!!! Atlanta needs to cut him and Goodell needs to suspend him for the year. Stick with with the long of arm of Goodell's law and make the guy go away.
I agree, the NFL has enough problems with its image, let Vick sit out the season and "rot" like the animals he had a hand in killing.
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Arbitrator
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| 07/20/2007 8:04 PM |
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If convicted, he will never play football in the NFL again as it stands now his marketing worth is zero.
Remember, the presumption of innocence until proven guilty only pertains to the judicial system not the court of public opinion.
For me I think he reeks of guilty.
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Crit40
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| 07/21/2007 12:03 AM |
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| He's screwed! |
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bigredtank
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| 07/21/2007 12:04 AM |
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| Well, I don't think he'll be invited to many Humane Society dinners. That, we can count on. |
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vranged
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| 07/23/2007 9:20 AM |
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Dman, what am I wrong about? I said laws are in place, and they will play out. I said I don't condone dogfighting. I said it's cruel. I was just pointing out some hypocricies.
My point was, that in the grand scheme of things, this registers at about a 3 on my "I can't believe they did that" meter. It's cruel as hell, but everyone (except Blackshirt) conveniently forgot to address my points about the same cruelty being inflicted on dogs (in sport -- Iditarod, racing), horses and cows. We raise cows to mutilate them.
Listen, I eat as many steaks as the next guy. Love 'em. Love chickens too, even though they're raised to get decapitated and eaten. All I'm saying is that there are some serious inconsistencies with the incredible criticism of Michael Vick when coupled with society's love of meat. Why are dogs so sacred?
Let me put it this way -- I'm as upset about the dogfighting ring as I am about the tens of thousands of cows that will get slaughtered today. I.E. not upset very much at all. |
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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DMan
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| 07/23/2007 9:55 AM |
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Posted By vranged on 07/23/2007 9:20 AM
Dman, what am I wrong about? I said laws are in place, and they will play out. I said I don't condone dogfighting. I said it's cruel. I was just pointing out some hypocricies.
My point was, that in the grand scheme of things, this registers at about a 3 on my "I can't believe they did that" meter. It's cruel as hell, but everyone (except Blackshirt) conveniently forgot to address my points about the same cruelty being inflicted on dogs (in sport -- Iditarod, racing), horses and cows. We raise cows to mutilate them.
Listen, I eat as many steaks as the next guy. Love 'em. Love chickens too, even though they're raised to get decapitated and eaten. All I'm saying is that there are some serious inconsistencies with the incredible criticism of Michael Vick when coupled with society's love of meat. Why are dogs so sacred?
Let me put it this way -- I'm as upset about the dogfighting ring as I am about the tens of thousands of cows that will get slaughtered today. I.E. not upset very much at all.
Well stated as always Vranged. Where I get lost in your posts on this one is in the gist of what you are saying. You do work at a Law Firm don't you? Because that is really reaching. Cows taken for slaughter are handled and processed humanely. (For lack of a better word) And we all know that we all reap the benefit of those slaughters. Fighting Pit Bulls in the basements and garages of homes is in-humane and wreaks of off-line criminal activity. Betting on the lives of animals that have no control over anything happening is ruthless and reprehensible. It deserves swift and firm punishment.
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Crit40
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| 07/23/2007 10:04 AM |
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food vs. man's best friend. Are you suggesting we hang the dog carcusses to cure and then cut some nice doggy steak out of them?
If a beef packing plant, prior to killing the steer, had another crazed animal rip and tear at it in an effort to kill it, and on the sideline, there were 100 plant workers cheering and betting on the outcome......I'd venture to guess the packing plant would be temporarily shut down, an investigation completed, and charges filed.
I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here. Cattle or hogs going to slaughter are killed instantly. Yes they are killed, but not inhumanely. Instantly.
And this is America, not Cambodia. We don't eat dogs here. Do you? |
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vranged
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| 07/23/2007 10:21 AM |
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Dman, it's only reaching because of the artificially created way society views cows vs. dogs. What I'm saying is that view is hypocritical. They're both animals. Cows being raised for slaughter vs. dogs being raised to fight isn't that big of a difference, in my book.
The "man's best friend" thing is exactly what I'm talking about. That's a tag society placed, but when you think about it, it's not based on any natural order of things. We can eat pheasant, but we can't eat bald eagles, b/c of some symbolic tag placed on each by society. What makes a dog better than a cow, other than the savory juices of a well-prepared steak? How selfish of us that that creates the distinction.
With regards to the cruelty -- yes, what Michael Vick did probably was crueler. But if you ask the cows, I don't think they'd take much solace in that.
And if you think betting on the lives of animals that have no control is so wrong, I hope you think Willie Shoemaker should have got the death penalty for all the abuse he inflicted on horses in his career.
I just wish people could acknowledge the inconsistencies. I want to keep eating steaks for as long as my heart can handle them. Likewise, I want dogfighting to end. I've embraced my hypocricy, while everyone else seems to turn a blind eye to theirs.
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After acknowledging that he was desperate, Dwight said "people will resort to saying things they know aren't true when they are desperate." That about sums it up! |
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