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| 12/02/2007 4:00 PM |
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Posted By IrememberDukester on 12/02/2007 1:17 PM Who would have ever thought Nedraska football would have sunk to a level that they could not have attracted a coach that actually was a head coach at a major university. I fondly remember when Frank was fired, every name in football even the NFL was being bantered about as at that time the Nebraska job was a plum job, however that is not the case anymore. If it is Bo Bo, that laughing sound you hear is the rest of college football rolling around on the floor, that spinning sound you will hear is Bob Devanney spinning in his grave. Mediocrity meets Bo, in 4 years Calliecan'ts tenure will be remembered as the "good old days". Message to T.O. this is what happens when you go the "cheap route"! 
Seahawk has you down pat. You tend to show some ability to post with at least some reasonable credibility. When it comes to Nebraska Football...it's like someone there must've raped & beat you in the past. Your tunnel visioned responses drip with great disdain and zero reasonable content. Put a mirror on your posts and ask yourself if that is where you want to be if we were raptured tonite?
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IrememberDukester
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| 12/02/2007 4:03 PM |
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Posted By SeahawksSB42champs on 12/02/2007 3:51 PM
The intelligent ones won't...remember, there were people that were critical of Osborne when he was going undefeated and winning national titles, so there are those out there who lack the intelligence or perspective to be knowledgeable football fans...and, believe it or not, there are some who actually are NOT Iowa football fans.
DMan,
Gspots disdain for Iowa rates above any misgivings I may have over the Nerdraska program.
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It's my fault," said first-year Nebraska coach Bo Pelini. "Damn right, yes, I'm embarrassed. I apologized to the team. I apologize to the state of Nebraska. I apologize to everyone associated with Nebraska football.
"It's my responsibility. I was hired to do a job and I didn't do the job, I'm just not a very good coach. |
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IrememberDukester
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| 12/02/2007 4:16 PM |
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What went wrong for Turner?
Many of the current players prefered Gill, many of the boosters prefered Gill.
What happened?
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It's my fault," said first-year Nebraska coach Bo Pelini. "Damn right, yes, I'm embarrassed. I apologized to the team. I apologize to the state of Nebraska. I apologize to everyone associated with Nebraska football.
"It's my responsibility. I was hired to do a job and I didn't do the job, I'm just not a very good coach. |
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| 12/02/2007 4:19 PM |
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Posted By SeahawksSB42champs on 12/02/2007 3:51 PM
The intelligent ones won't...remember, there were people that were critical of Osborne when he was going undefeated and winning national titles, so there are those out there who lack the intelligence or perspective to be knowledgeable football fans...and, believe it or not, there are some who actually are NOT Iowa football fans.
Criticising TO during that time makes one less intelligent? Maybe it depends on the reason for the criticism...
As an example, a gun needed for an investigation is missing during the season. Once the season is over, said gun magically appears in one of the coaches lockers and is turned into LPD.
The handling of off the field problems - Scott Baldwin, Damon Benning, Christian Peter - http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2004/06/16/a_voice_for_the_victims/ - Lawrence Phillips, etc... left a lot to be desired and spoke volumes about what Tom was willing to do to win a championship. Not a very ethical individual IMO.
I don't think I need to go on. Criticisms of TO are valid - especially if you lived in Lincoln and/or went to the Uni during the Osborne championship era. |
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reideen
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| 12/02/2007 4:21 PM |
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Posted By IrememberDukester on 12/02/2007 4:16 PM What went wrong for Turner? Many of the current players prefered Gill, many of the boosters prefered Gill. What happened?
Is it possble Gill turned them down?  |
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SeahawksSB42champs
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| 12/02/2007 4:43 PM |
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I have no disdain for a program that, clearly, is a second-rate program in comparison to Nebraska's. Why would I hate or have any kind of jealous envy for something that I know is of lesser quality than that which I support?
I'm sure Iowa is a fine educational institution, and they have one hell of a great wrestling program, one of the best ever. Mad props to them for having that working in their favor.
Maybe someday their football program can achieve a similar level of success...but I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to happen. |
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| 12/02/2007 5:33 PM |
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Posted By IrememberDukester on 12/02/2007 4:16 PM What went wrong for Turner? Many of the current players prefered Gill, many of the boosters prefered Gill. What happened?
Turner was the favorite of many of those still associated with the team in one way or another.
Interesting to know what actually happened.
I can't believe that Pelini out interviewed Turner, no way that could happen.
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SeahawksSB42champs
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| 12/02/2007 5:50 PM |
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It could be that Turner felt Buffalo was the best place for him and that there was more he felt he needed to do there.
I wish somebody would have asked Tom that at the news conference. There were a lot of softball questions lobbed there this afternoon. |
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IrememberDukester
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| 12/02/2007 5:55 PM |
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Nobody is going to ask the old man anything that could cause him to have a stroke!
Who wants that hanging over their head!
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It's my fault," said first-year Nebraska coach Bo Pelini. "Damn right, yes, I'm embarrassed. I apologized to the team. I apologize to the state of Nebraska. I apologize to everyone associated with Nebraska football.
"It's my responsibility. I was hired to do a job and I didn't do the job, I'm just not a very good coach. |
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SeahawksSB42champs
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| 12/02/2007 6:14 PM |
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One thing I will agree with you on, Dukester...nobody in the Nebraska media wants to ask the tough questions. However, it's not just Dr. Tom they are afraid of...they're afraid of asking the kind of question that will get their media credentials pulled. That probably won't happen now that Stevie P. is gone...but nobody wants to risk raising the ire of Osborne.
There are questions not asked that I would have asked, such as:
1. Who were the coaches considered for the position?
2. Considering your past professional and personal relationships with Turner Gill, did you offer him the job and he turned it down or was Pelini simply the better candidate?
3. Will Pelini be allowed, either by UNL or LSU, to coach the Tigers in the Alleged National Championship game if they are selected? |
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DMan
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| 12/02/2007 6:21 PM |
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Posted By reideen on 12/02/2007 4:19 PM criticising |
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DMan
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| 12/02/2007 6:23 PM |
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Correction: Criticizing.
(Couldn't pass it up!) |
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| 12/02/2007 6:38 PM |
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Posted By reideen on 12/02/2007 4:19 PM Posted By SeahawksSB42champs on 12/02/2007 3:51 PM
The intelligent ones won't...remember, there were people that were critical of Osborne when he was going undefeated and winning national titles, so there are those out there who lack the intelligence or perspective to be knowledgeable football fans...and, believe it or not, there are some who actually are NOT Iowa football fans. Criticising TO during that time makes one less intelligent? Maybe it depends on the reason for the criticism... As an example, a gun needed for an investigation is missing during the season. Once the season is over, said gun magically appears in one of the coaches lockers and is turned into LPD. The handling of off the field problems - Scott Baldwin, Damon Benning, Christian Peter - http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2004/06/16/a_voice_for_the_victims/ - Lawrence Phillips, etc... left a lot to be desired and spoke volumes about what Tom was willing to do to win a championship. Not a very ethical individual IMO. I don't think I need to go on. Criticisms of TO are valid - especially if you lived in Lincoln and/or went to the Uni during the Osborne championship era.
To be fair, the Baldwin incident was way back in '90 or '91, several years before he won any championships. |
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SeahawksSB42champs
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| 12/02/2007 6:51 PM |
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And the problems that those players created -- which conveniently is forgotten by those who bash Nebraska -- are problems that are taking place on EVERY FREAKING COLLEGE CAMPUS IN THE COUNTRY. And with very few exceptions, said problems are handled in pretty much the same manner everywhere else -- or at least, were at the time -- as they were at Nebraska.
I noticed a media trend many years ago, even before Nebraska won their national titles, and that was this: once a college football team wins a national title, they come under immediate scrutiny and any thing, big or small, is blown up to make said program look like a "program out of control."
It was like that with Oklahoma (which, admittedly WAS out of control), Miami (which brought a lot of that on themselves), Penn State and Notre Dame. There was also a huge cover story in Sports Illustrated regarding the "Free Shoes" incident at Florida State not two months after they beat Nebraska in the 1994 Orange Bowl.
Shortly after we celebrated Nebraska beating Miami for Osborne's first title, I told my family to watch the media, because it wouldn't be long before they'd find something and blow it up to be this big crisis situation that would make Nebraska look like the next "program out of control." The morning after Larry Phillips went for 200-plus against Michigan State and then beat up his girlfriend the night before, it was all over Sportscenter and all the news channels...just as I had predicted it would.
And, yes, it would be a safe bet to assume that had Nebraska NOT won that title the previous year, it wouldn't have been the blown-up story that it ended up being. And I'm not defending Phillips or Osborne on the issue itself...I'm just saying the media made a much bigger deal out of it BECAUSE Nebraska was the defending champion. Had we lost or had one of our usual 9-3 seasons, it would not have received near the media attention that it has. |
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Crit40
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| 12/02/2007 8:21 PM |
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| Congratulations to Nebraska on finding their guy. Hope it works out. |
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Counting the Herd one hoof at a time. |
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DMan
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| 12/02/2007 8:38 PM |
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Posted By Crit40 on 12/02/2007 8:21 PM
Congratulations to Nebraska on finding their guy. Hope it works out.
Classy comment from a classy guy. Thanks Crit
What would you surmise is Ferentz' sitch?
Could he endure another season like this one and come out the tunnel the next season still as head coach?
Do you think Kirk would take the Michigan job if offered?
(I know some might think that question would be a no-brainer, but you never know)
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SeahawksSB42champs
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| 12/02/2007 8:51 PM |
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Ferentz's name was probably on the long list at Meeshigan, but feel free to assume he isn't SERIOUSLY being considered.
If he had yet another subpar season anywhere else in the Big 10, I'd say he'd be out. Remember, though, that Iowa's standards for football are much lower than that at many of their other Big 10 brethren...which may explain why that 50-year national championship rebuilding project hasn't been completed yet.
Michigan is looking for a proven winner to lead the charge. Remember, they have the longest current string of non-losing seasons in college football, as well as being the winningest of all time. They don't want to hire just ANY coach...they want a proven winner who can get Michigan back in the national title hunt.
And despite assertions and delusional opinions to the contrary by Dukie...Ferentz ain't in that conversation. |
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Crit40
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| 12/02/2007 9:08 PM |
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I really think it boils down to the circumstances D. They bring back an awful lot of guys from this years team that will have game ready experience. I think the expectations have to be higher for this team next year, although my expectations were a 10 win season this year with the soft schedule.
As a fan, I'm obviously frustrated with the results of the last couple of years and I have expressed so on many occasions on here. But the fact remains that he has a contract that runs into 2012, and I'm not sure what the buyout of that contract would be. Up until the last extension, it was $700,000 per year, but I'm guessing it is significantly higher now. When you pay a guy the kind of money he makes, you want to see better results.
Norm Parker does a fantastic job with the Defense, year in and year out. What has been dismal the last several years is Ken O'Keefe's offensive stats, and although I understand he has held that position for 9 years, it may be time to either replace O'Keefe or revamp the offensive strategy to produce better results.
Overall, I like Ferentz. I think he is an outstanding coach, and I actually believe he probably had the inside track to the Michigan job before withdrawing his name. The thing you have to understand about Iowa is that they do not get the best players in the country....they have to develope them; Unlike the Michigans, OSU's, LSU's, Florida's and even Nebraska's, who CAN get their fair share of top recruits, and that is why it is difficult to compare the coaching jobs being done. When the talent is there, one would think a coach's job becomes a little easier, therefore, IMO, a job like Iowa is probably a little more difficult and if the AD also recognizes that, the leash is probably a little longer than at those other universities mentioned.
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DMan
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| 12/02/2007 9:23 PM |
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I can relate with most of your post. Except including modern day Nebraska or Osborne era Nebraska into the talent pool schools.
I really don't think NU has ever gotten Top 5 recruiting classes on a national level. Even in 94 and 95, most of those guys (with the exception of Frazier and a few others) just blossomed. The Peter brothers got minimal attention coming out of hs and Tomich was turned down by his hometown Boilermakers. Guys like Berrenger, Mackovicka, Wistrom, Colman, Booker, Stai and of course Phillips were all examples of Boyd Eppleys weight room and fitness regime. Bill Callahan probably recruited as well as it has ever been done in Lincoln.
Having read your post, I've got to wonder what Ferentz would do if actually offered the Michigan job. Would he take it and run? Or would he remain loyal to the school that he made his name at?
I would surmise that he would factor in all the stress and strain of living up to the levels the bar is set at in Ann Arbor. Like Lincoln, people will call your home and threaten you if you don't win. |
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Crit40
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| 12/02/2007 9:50 PM |
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I whole-heartedly agree that Osborne, and his program developed its players back in the day. The thing NU ALWAYS had, was superior offensive linemen......developed linemen. But IMO, Nebraska's tradition made for a better recruiting ground for it's instate kids. Many a solid kid who played football in Omaha, turned out to have solid experiences at NU; and yes, NU's weight program was second to none at one point during NU's hayday.
Iowa as a recruiting mecca for D1 college football players is just not there. They may get many of the top prospects in the state, but they just aren't the caliber of players that NU was getting back in the 80's and 90's. And if we did have a top D1 guy (Roger Craig), Nebraska's tradition pulled him away.
In many ways, I liken Ferentz to Osborne.....being able to see the possibilities in a kid that no one wanted. The bigger issue is that Iowa would wind up putting that kid on scholarship, where at NU would have him walk on and earn a spot, not wasting a scholarship on an unproven talent. That is where I see the big difference, but your point is well-taken. |
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